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This is so often seen on an ingredient list (here in the US, anyway) -- what is it legally permitted to include? Can animal products be included in this catchall phrase? If so, what can be done to <i>change</i> it? I have the impression that labelling practices are much more veg*n friendly in the UK -- I'm jealous!
 

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What can be done? You could just avoid eating all products that include "Natural Flavors" and then you'll be good to go!
 

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Yes. Even non-vegetarian things (byproducts of slaughter) can come under "natural flavorings". Well, I'm sure you heard about the Mcdonalds lawsuit. They didn't list the beef extract in their fries/hashbrowns because it was included in "natural flavorings". They could have gotten away with that because it's legal in the US. But, what got them into trouble is Mcdonalds employees were telling customers that the fries/hashbrowns are vegetarian.<br><br><br><br>
What can be done about it? I'm not sure how to do it but try to get the labelling laws changed.
 

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Ya, that one really bugs me too. There's not much we can do.<br><br><br><br>
I found this from <a href="http://www.vegsource.com/" target="_blank">http://www.vegsource.com/</a><br><br><br><br>
Call the company. Ask them what's in the flavorings. Chances are they will not be able to tell you, or they will be unwilling to tell you. But the more they hear this question, the more likely they are to become concerned about putting a clarifying statement on their labels.
 

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Why worry about anything? *lol* But I know what you mean, and of course if I have no other alternative I <i>will</i> simply steer clear of ambiguously-labeled foods.<br><br><br><br>
Nonetheless, I can still be a crank and complain about the inconvenience to me that such ambiguity is allowed!<br><br><br><br>
Actually, my main point was wanting to know a) what exactly the law is for labeling things with that phrase; and b) if anyone out there has mounted an effort to change it, e.g. letters to congressmen, lobbying the USDA, whatever. I'm not politically active in general, I'm afraid, but if there was an effort out there I might be tempted to add my two cents to it.<br><br><br><br>
Considering how wildly detailed the labeling already is here in the US, is it really too much to ask that they distinguish between "natural flavors from plant sources" and "natural flavors from animal sources"?<br><br><br><br>
And BTW, what's this issue like for you all in the UK, Australia, continental Europe, and elsewhere?
 

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I Canada, our labellign is the same way except with French too. I'm always happy when I find products thta specify that the ingredient is from plant sources. Maybe the producers will see that it is a good idea to identify them as such.
 

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I understand. There's nothing worse than walking into a shop for a snack like chips and staring at the packet and seeing "natural flavours" and knowing that you can't buy it because you DON'T KNOW. Who wants to have to go home, email the company, and wait for a response? You want that snack NOW dammit coz you're hungry... so of course you get the same boring thing that you always do... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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As far as use of "Natural Flavors" go, with respect to whether there might be animal by products or flavorings in there, here is the best advice: (1) call the company and ask, just as someone earlier mentioned. People call our company (Fantastic Foods) all the time and we know, and can tell you, (2) buy only vegetarian brands you trust! Other than Fantastic (my favorite), seek out the Amy's, White Wave's, Imagine's, Annie's, etc, etc...... They will do you right, as they have been around forever and have built up years and years of trusting relationships that will not be violated withour obscene risk. Be more wary of newcomers, as they may have mistakes in their packaging, or worse...<br><br><br><br>
The point you make is a good one, and we are in the process of making more expansive descriptions available on our packaging (where the real estate is available), other than that we encourage consumers to contact us by email or phone. Hope this helps<br><br><br><br>
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I guess for now I will just back off buying anything that says "natural flavors" -- but I see some phone calls / emails to companies in my future. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"><br><br><br><br>
John, I was delighted to discover that my local Kroger store carries Fantastic Foods items -- I picked up several today and can't wait to try them. I really appreciated the checklist on the packaging that lets you know if it's vegan. Amy's also makes it clear.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by sunnyk</i><br><br><b>Considering how wildly detailed the labeling already is here in the US, is it really too much to ask that they distinguish between "natural flavors from plant sources" and "natural flavors from animal sources"?</b></div>
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That would be a GREAT!! thing SunnyK.<br><br>
It wouldn't take up too much label space either.<br><br><br><br>
I'm like Kpickell - I try not to sweat the small stuff too much, but I do pay attention - and I do wonder. I have an email in right now to Nestle regarding their Maggi all purpose flavoring - it also lists natural flavoring.<br><br><br><br>
If they say some is from animal - I'll probably still use it because it would be a minute amount (and animials certainly weren't slaughtered to provide it - it's a byproduct) and - it is THE THING that makes my veg*n meatballs the bomb. I take them to parties and omni folks are like "what??" this isn't meat?? - gets them thinking that maybe this veggie thing might be looked into. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Sounds good, have you posted the recipe?<br><br><br><br>
I don't always sweat the small stuff either; I'm still trying to get a handle on "how vegan" I am/will be. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I realise I sound like a broken record on a stereo up on a soap box about the vegan ingredient thing, but I can't help myself.<br><br><br><br>
Sometimes I feel like some people get lost in the purity issue and they don't mean to (but - hey, if it's all about purity for them - they can go for it).<br><br><br><br>
I need to just stop already - but then I see a post and I can't help bringing it up again <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> (why do I do that???)<br><br><br><br>
Anyway, see - there I went again! ^^^<br><br><br><br>
I'm going to post the NotMeat-Ball recipe sometime soon. I'm still working on it. Actually - the original recipe is done. What I'm doing now is testing all the substitutions I thought ub - so this way the one recipe has a lot of variety (and can work with most of what people might have in their house). Loki might like it because one of the ingredients in Quinoa (though so far I've found you can sub brown rice, cous cous, and millet and it works)<br><br><br><br>
Yes - I do lead a boring life ........ but it's my life (isn't that a song?)
 
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