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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thinking.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":think:"><span style="font-family:'Century Gothic';"><span>hi there. I have a very good friend who is diabetic. he's only 34 years old and since he was diagnosed last year, he's completely convinced, obsessed even, with the idea that he absolutely must eat TONS of protein in the form of meat and cheese! he'll say things like "I ate really well today, all I had was a ham and cheese sandwich and only one cookie!" meanwhile, when I try to convince him of the benefits of a vegetarian diet that includes plant based protein sources, whole grains, and vegetables, he scoffs and says he needs a lot of protein and can't eat carbs because they "make him high". he also says he "hates beans" and therefore could never be a vegetarian, and he's not open to trying or learning to like certain vegetables.<br><br><br><br>
this is so frustrating! I KNOW I've read things that indicate there's evidence that a vegetarian or vegan diet can greatly benefit someone with diabetes and may even make it possible for a person to stop taking medication. but I can't find anything online, and as long as he continues to listen to his nutritionist-meat-pusher who works for a local hospital, I'm afraid his health will decline!<br><br><br><br>
this low-carb thing is driving me crazy! I'm surrounded by co-workers who live on hunks of meat and cheese with a side of lettuce, thinking they're doing the best thing ever (though no one is losing any weight). meanwhile, here I am, going back to a mostly vegan diet which is actually ALL carbs, and I know it's the best thing for me!<br><br><br><br>
I just have to be patient and know that as I start losing weight and feeling awesome with tons of energy, as my cholesterol and blood pressure get back to normal, maybe those people will learn by example.<br><br><br><br>
does anyone know of any links to any really good articles that debunk this low-carb stuff, even for diabetics? thanks!</span></span>
 

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Your friend is HORRIBLY misguided. A healthy low carb diet does NOT mean high protein. A healthy low carb diet is low in refined sugars and higher in fiber. You still get more calories from carbs than ANYTHING else, but you eat healhtier carbs. Eating excessive amounts of protein (over 25% of daily calories) leads to kidney disease. What a horrible way to go. the other kind of misguided low carb concept is a high-fat diet. This one is stupid for more obvious reasons. Once enough people start dying from gorging themselves on overdoses of protein due to their misconceptions about low carb diets, then the word will get out and people will realize how stupid it is. Until then, people just ASSUME they UNDERSTAND what the meaning of a low carb diet is.<br><br><br><br>
Atkins does not help with that phase 1 crud. Sure, some study recently praised that diet for being healthy, but remember, phase 1 is only TEMPORARY. your diabetic friend needs a PERMANENT diet.
 

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i also have diabetes...type 1, so i understand the coorelation and sometimes hesitancy to eat carbs. but the high protein is soooooo bad for the kidneys!!! esp animal based. and this is obviously a concern for those w/ diabetes.<br><br><br><br>
as for carbs... you can eat them, but well controlled diabetes will not make your blood sugar go out of control... but you need to take insulin to "cover" the amount of carbs. (you give insulin to counteract sugar/carbs in the diet.for example, when eating 10 grams of carb, you would give yourself 1 unit of insulin. its called carb counting, and im sure the dietitican knows about this)<br><br>
the thing is, that complex carbs/ high fiber carbs affect your bs much more slowly, which is good. so a diet can very much accomodate them healthily.<br><br>
also, eating carbs with protein and/or fat, also slows the absorption of food, thus slowing the affect on the bs.<br><br>
your friend will have to be diligent in testing bs to see the affect of food on ;his diet. Certified Diabetes Educators are great to work with to figure out the numbers.... whats called a carb:insulin ratio. schedules are a great thing for people w;/ diabetes.<br><br><br><br>
i know there are articles on the vegan diet w/ type2 diabetes. they did studies on this and were very surprised about the great results. high fiber, low fat, vegan diets were the best.<br><br>
i also recently saw a study on the positive effect of blueberry soy yogurt in diabetic patients! interesting...<br><br><br><br>
there are some diabetes websites, which i dontknow have anything specific about these studies, but they are good for all kinds of info. and even if they dont promote a veg'n diets, they are much more healthy minded then just proteinproteinprotein.<br><br><br><br>
onetouch.com<br><br>
diabetesnet.com<br><br>
also, joslin diabetes center, in boston<br><br>
diabetes forecast magazine.<br><br><br><br>
i will look for some other sites, i just dont know them off the top o'my head.
 

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Low carb is like the worst diet ever seriously.. i COMPLETELY *LIVE* on carbs - would literally DIE w/o it for 1 day!!<br><br><br><br>
Ok..sorry more to the point..<br><br><br><br>
As far as diabetes is concerned, i know that carbs aren't all the same - there are heaps of low GI carb food. And another thing about the gi is that it's not 100% accurate anyway since when you eat meals w/ protein & fats mixed with both high and low GI foods, the GI changes. And there's also glycemic load, which is more accurate/reliable. And like the others said, a high fat/prot diet in long term isn't healthy & i BET it's gonna cause damage sooner or later (i don't need to say what happened to atkins himself do i? ;D)<br><br><br><br>
You should def try and get your friend to eat less fats..the unhealthy ones especially in MEAT, and too much protein isn't goodeither. he should def eatmore veg & fruit and whole grains like oats, wholegrain/whole wheat pasta which is low gi, and stuff like that. if he really can't give up all the prot and fat, suggest him to eat avocados and nuts instead - much healthier <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 
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