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I'm having a hard time finding a well made list of movies which details which movies contain animal abuse.<br><br><b>Definite Animal Abuse Involving Death on Screen</b><br>
Apocalypse Now (1979) - an ox is decapitated<br>
Babel (2006) - an actor twists the head off a chicken to demonstrate how to slaughter a chicken to children<br>
Caché (Hidden) (2005) - chicken's head is cut off with an ax<br>
Cannibal Holocaust (1980) - several animals are killed on screen<br>
Cloak & Dagger (1984) - rat is killed with explosives<br>
Heaven's Gate (1980) - horse killed by dynamite explosion, other animals were killed during the production as well<br>
The Holy Mountain (1973) - a lot of animal abuse including frogs, horses, and chickens<br>
The Isle (2000) - a frog is skinned alive and a fish is mutilated<br>
Jesse James (1939) - a horse is ridden off a 70-foot cliff in to a river and dies<br>
Pink Flamingos (1972) - live chicken is used in a sex scene and killed in the process<br><br><b>Possible Animal Abuse Involving Death on Screen</b><br>
Rubber (2010) - A rabbit and a crow might have been killed. The crow appears to be alive when detonated.<br><br>
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Milo and Otis (1986) - There are claims that the production resulted in dozens of animals killed. Definite bad things like pitting bear vs dog, cat vs crab.<br>
Reds (1981) - 4 horses are tripped violently<br>
Water for Elephants (2011) - Elephants were subjected to painful and torturous techniques to train them to do tricks which appear in the movie
 
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I know an easy one is Cannibal Holocaust, which had a large number of scenes showing animals being killed. To their defense, I did see the movie and the animals were not tortured so much as killed on camera and eaten off camera. Some will disagree surely, but I feel someone eating the animal is a lot better then killing it only for the movie.<br><br>
Also, John Waters' Pink Flamingos had a scene in which a chicken was rammed in a sex act between a woman's legs until it was dead. They too ate the chicken, but there was obvious torture of an animal. This saddens me as I generally like John Waters' films.<br><br>
He responds in a negative way to animals:<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYVl4xGTeek" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYVl4xGTeek</a><br><br>
I originally started this thread as I was watching 'Rubber' by suggestion from a friend. Early on, a rabbit is killed, but it looked like they swapped out the rabbit when it explodes. A bit cautious, I watched on and a crow explodes. This time, it looked like they really blew up a crow. I stopped there and searched for information on animal abuse in this movie and found no one discussing it.<br><br>
Also, I remember there was a member on here that made life-like animals for films to use, is she still around?
 

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That's horrible! The only movie I remember involving cruelty was Milo and Otis.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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I originally started this thread as I was watching 'Rubber' by suggestion from a friend. Early on, a rabbit is killed, but it looked like they swapped out the rabbit when it explodes. A bit cautious, I watched on and a crow explodes. This time, it looked like they really blew up a crow. I stopped there and searched for information on animal abuse in this movie and found no one discussing it.</div>
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Did your friend suggest it to you because he/she thought it was a good movie?<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":huh:"> I saw the trailer and thought the whole thing was a joke. Looks like a terrible excuse for a movie. The crow part makes it even more awful.
 

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An older film:<br><br>
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. They tripped a horse to make it fall. This technique can result in the horse breaking its neck. The method is illegal in the US, but since they were filming in Mexico, they got away with it. In this case, they- and the horse- were lucky. It did not break its neck, but it might have.
 

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This is a good thread idea. It might be useful to have a list. Here are a few that I can remember (sadly, these are all good films)<br><br><b>Cache</b> -Michael Haneke, chicken's head is cut off with an ax<br><b>Time of the Wolf</b> -Michael Haneke, haven't seen it in a while, but I think a horse is stabbed in the neck<br><b>Holy Mountain</b> -Alejandro Jodorowsky, a lot of animal abuse including frogs, horses, and chickens<br><b>Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring</b> -Kim Ki-duk, it appears as if a cat's tail is used to paint the raft in the film, I hope it was fake<br><b>The Isle</b> -Kim Ki-duk, a frog is skinned alive and a fish is mutilated<br><b>Apocalypse Now</b> -Francis Ford Coppola, an ox is decapitated
 

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Did your friend suggest it to you because he/she thought it was a good movie?<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":huh:"> I saw the trailer and thought the whole thing was a joke. Looks like a terrible excuse for a movie. The crow part makes it even more awful.</div>
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My friend is not a vegetarian or concerned about animals at all, he's a regular guy. I was liking the premise of the movie and was looking forward to watching how they make the story move along, but possibly two animals killed for entertainment purposes was not acceptable. I won't watch it, at least not for enjoyment.<br><br>
I watched Cannibal Holocaust simply because it was known as one of the most controversial films and wanted to be able to examine it for myself. Outside of the animals being killed, the movie was pretty interesting, but campy. I see why the Italian government arrested the filmmakers for supposedly making a snuff film, the ending scenes look quite realistic and I still don't see how they did some things. And as I said previously, the fact that they ate and didn't torture the animals made the animal deaths less traumatic for myself. Most were beheaded.
 

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Found a list whilst trying to find the information on the horses in Ben Hur.<br><br><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/cruelcamera/cruelty.html" target="_blank">http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/cruelcamera/cruelty.html</a>
 

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Also, I really don't think they should be allowed to use the 'no animals were harmed' label in the credits unless the entire film was made as vegan as possible - custom-made garments and on-set food provisions must add up to a lot of animal products.
 

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I'm amazed that there still is so much cruelty to animals whilst making a film. The AHA should step in and campaign against this ill treatment of animals.<br><br>
I came up with the following list and am surprised by the number of horses that have been killed or injured for the purpose of entertainment.The list seems to be never ending : circuses, zoos, films etc, etc ;<br><br><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/cruelcamera/cruelty.html" target="_blank">http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/cruelcamera/cruelty.html</a>
 

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My friend is not a vegetarian or concerned about animals at all, he's a regular guy. I was liking the premise of the movie and was looking forward to watching how they make the story move along, but possibly two animals killed for entertainment purposes was not acceptable. I won't watch it, at least not for enjoyment.</div>
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Wasn't it about it about a rubber car tire that ran people over to kill them?<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":huh:">
 

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Also, I really don't think they should be allowed to use the <b>'no animals were harmed' label</b> in the credits unless the entire film was made as vegan as possible - custom-made garments and on-set food provisions must add up to a lot of animal products.</div>
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I was just wondering whether the label could be used the other way around ?<br><br>
If a animal <b>had been injured or killed</b> during the filming and a banner was put across the screen before showing it; do you think that many people would want to watch the film ?
 

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<b>Heaven's Gate</b> by Michael Cimino -- countless issues of real animal cruelty<br><b>Manderlay</b> by Lars Von Trier -- a real donkey was killed (although Wikipedia says the scene was cut from the finished film), and because of this, John C. Reilly walked out of the movie<br><b>Gosford Park</b> by Robert Altman -- real hunting for the purpose of the movie<br><b>Babel</b> by Inarritu -- I've heard a chicken is killed for the film
 

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Then, on a better note, an anecdote about Kubrick (although I can't verify if it's true):<br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Stanley was a big animal lover, at one time he had 16 cats alone. During the filming of <i>Full Metal Jacket</i> (1987) a family of wild rabbits was accidentally killed when an equipment truck accidentally ran over them; he was so upset he halted film production for the rest of the day.</div>
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Strikes me as a class act compared to some of the other directors mentioned in this thread.
 

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Wasn't it about it about a rubber car tire that ran people over to kill them?<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":huh:"></div>
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Yup, but to establish, the tire starts with destroying other things and works up to a bunny and a crow. Beyond that, I don't know, I stopped watching.
 

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Then, on a better note, an anecdote about Kubrick</div>
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I read that he attached bells to his cats collars so they didn't kill as many birds.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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Yeah, I remember that. Gael GarcÃ*a Bernal twists and rips off the chickens head:<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7mk9PI-aFk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7mk9PI-aFk</a><br><br>
One of the reasons I hated that film and stopped liking Bernal as an actor.
 

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Thankfully, most of these films are older or obscure. This seems to indicate that most modern directors working on big-name films know better than to kill a real animal in front of their audiences.
 

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<b>Las Hurdes: Tierra Sin Pan (Land without Bread)</b> by Luis Buñuel. He killed both a donkey and a goat, and I wouldn't be surprised if animals were harmed and/or killed in his other films as well (I think a dog was kicked in L'Age d'Or but I couldn't find a lot of information about it). The description is from Wikipedia and I've placed it behind a spoiler due to its graphic nature:<br><br><a class="spoiler-link H-spoiler-toggle" href="#"><strong>Warning: Spoiler!</strong> <span class="spoiler-help">(Click to show)</span></a><div class="spoiler-hidden">Buñuel slaughtered at least two animals to make Las Hurdes. One Hurdano claimed that he arranged for an ailing donkey to be covered with honey so he could film it being stung to death by bees. Similarly, his crew shot a mountain goat that subsequently fell from a cliff for another sequence.</div>
<br><br><b>Andrei Rublev</b> by Andrei Tarkovsky. At least one horse was killed. Again, the description is from Wikipedia and behind the spoiler. He was obnoxious enough to act as though he did the horse a favor:<br><br><a class="spoiler-link H-spoiler-toggle" href="#"><strong>Warning: Spoiler!</strong> <span class="spoiler-help">(Click to show)</span></a><div class="spoiler-hidden">Several scenes within the film depict violence, torture and cruelty toward animals, leading to controversy and censorship attempts upon completion of the film. Most of these scenes took place during the raid of Vladimir, showing for example the blinding and the torture of a peasant. Most of the scenes involving cruelty toward animals were simulated. For example, during the Tatar raid of Vladimir a cow is set on fire. In reality the cow had an asbestos-covered coat and was not physically harmed; however, one scene depicts the real death of a horse. The horse falls from a flight of stairs and is then stabbed by a spear. To produce this image, Tarkovsky injured the horse by shooting it in the neck and then pushed it from the stairs, causing the animal to falter and fall down the flight of stairs. From there, the camera pans right, and we see the horse struggling to get its footing having fallen over on its back. The animal was then shot in the head afterward. This was done to avoid the possibility of harming what was considered a lesser expendable, highly-prized stunt horse. The horse was brought in from a slaughterhouse, killed on set, and then returned to the abattoir for commercial consumption. In a 1967 interview for Literaturnoe obozrenie, interviewer Aleksandr Lipkov suggested to Tarkovsky that "the cruelty in the film is shown precisely to shock and stun the viewers. And this may even repel them." In an attempt to downplay the cruelty Tarkovsky responded: "No, I don't agree. This does not hinder viewer perception. Moreover we did all this quite sensitively. I can name films that show much more cruel things, compared to which ours looks quite modest."</div>
 

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Thankfully, most of these films are older or obscure. This seems to indicate that most modern directors working on big-name films know better than to kill a real animal in front of their audiences.</div>
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Sadly, no, a lot of these films are recent with in the past decade or two.
 

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I don't really see why them eating the deceased makes it any better that they killed an animal. If someone killed me, I would not feel any happier about it if they reassured me my body would not be going to waste as they would eat me!<br><br>
I absolutely love the idea of a banner at the beginning of a movie saying 'Animals were harmed or killed in the making of this film' so you could switch off/ walk out (or check online beforehand and not go in the first place.<br><br>
I haven't seen any of the films mentioned in this thread, except i think ive seen Gosford Park... Something a bit more recent/ mainstream is 'Water for Elephants' where elephants were beaten by the people who taught them the tricks.
 
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