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I hadn't seen this. Did anyone? Totally stunned me.<br><br><a href="http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/23/mom-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-putting-baby-in-microwave/" target="_blank">http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2011...-in-microwave/</a><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">After deliberating for six hours over the course of two days, an Ohio jury recommended life in prison without parole Friday for a mother convicted of killing her month-old baby in a microwave. The jury, which had found her guilty of aggravated murder a week earlier, spared 31-year-old China Arnold from the death penalty in her third trial for daughter Paris Talleys 2005 death.</div>
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i hadn't seen this, but i've heard of similar stories. and you wonder why i have no faith in humanity?
 

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Wow, the baby in the story who died as a result of a domestic dispute in the following link had it easy. At least she wasn't cooking for 2 minutes in a microwave.<br><a href="http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/911-caller-i-just-killed-my-daughter" target="_blank">http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/9...ed-my-daughter</a><br><br>
They don't like baby killers in jail.<br><a href="http://abqjournal.magnify.net/video/Accused-Baby-Killer-Attacked" target="_blank">http://abqjournal.magnify.net/video/...iller-Attacked</a>
 

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Oh look at that, some criminsals believe that they are something better because they killed someone older. We really should care about their opinion.
 

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This kind of stuff is just really hard to understand. What has to happen to someone for them to get to a point where they nuke their baby?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>ElaineV</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2898936"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
This kind of stuff is just really hard to understand. What has to happen to someone for them to get to a point where they nuke their baby?</div>
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It would not surprise me at all if there were significant mental health issues in play here.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/no.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":no:"> I'm sick of hearing about living things being put into the mircrowave <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Phoenix Days</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2898950"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/no.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":no:"> I'm sick of hearing about living things being put into the mircrowave <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("></div>
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Or being put in car trunks or being sprayed with bullets or guillotined or strangled or any manner of other ways people find to make others' lives hell just before death.
 

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are we too quick to let them off the hook by saying there must be a mental illness involved? I sometimes think these people are just big f-ing aholes.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Floridaisa</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2899131"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
are we too quick to let them off the hook by saying there must be a mental illness involved? I sometimes think these people are just big f-ing aholes.</div>
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Who is getting "let off the hook"? She got life in prison. The only hook she was let off was the death penalty, which many of us think shouldn't exist because killing people to teach people not to kill people doesn't make much sense.<br><br>
I tend to think that there's usually more involved in violence than a simple explanation that the person was just crazy or an a-hole. Sometimes people are "just crazy" or something, but I think that oftentimes there is a social problem that contributed to the violence. It's reasonable to think there are some actions we can take as a society to help prevent these kinds of things from happening in the future. Some other societies have much lower rates of violence so it does seem like social/political issues play a role.<br><br>
When we use simple explanations, the people being "let off the hook" are us. When we say that someone is just crazy or we say they're just an a-hole, then there's nothing that we should do to prevent it in the future. We don't have to be bothered to try to get involved and help prevent violence.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>ElaineV</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2899149"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
The only hook she was let off was the death penalty, which many of us think shouldn't exist because killing people to teach people not to kill people doesn't make much sense.</div>
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The death penalty may not teach them a lesson, but I think it would be a better deterrent. Most people are more afraid to die than to sit in jail for the rest of their life. If the death penalty were more common for violent crimes like the ones talked about in this thread, people may think twice about their actions. And some people don't really care if they are in jail. To them, it's free rent and food.<br><br>
I would love to get the message into criminal's heads (or potential criminals) "if I kill someone, I will be killed for the crime". Let them ponder over that.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>sleepydvdr</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2899221"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
The death penalty may not teach them a lesson, but I think it would be a better deterrent. Most people are more afraid to die than to sit in jail for the rest of their life. If the death penalty were more common for violent crimes like the ones talked about in this thread, people may think twice about their actions. And some people don't really care if they are in jail. To them, it's free rent and food.<br><br>
I would love to get the message into criminal's heads (or potential criminals) "if I kill someone, I will be killed for the crime". Let them ponder over that.</div>
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I really doubt that. Otherwise you would see countries and states with death penalty have lower violent crime rates that the countries and states that don't, which is not the case. Murder is usually a crime of passion where any reason is drowned out by whatever anger or anxiety the perpetrator has toward the victim. The thought of death penalty is probably going to come in the "oh sh!t" moment after the fact or going to make them more careful in hiding their crime when they're planning beforehand.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Floridaisa</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2899131"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
are we too quick to let them off the hook by saying there must be a mental illness involved? I sometimes think these people are just big f-ing aholes.</div>
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you would hope that it's a mental issue. but, that's not always the case. some people just snap, be it out of anger, stress, etc.
 

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The death penalty may not teach them a lesson, but I think it would be a better deterrent.</div>
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Or not:<br><a href="http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/the-death-penalty-and-deterrence" target="_blank">http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/i...and-deterrence</a><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>unovegan</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2899244"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
you would hope that it's a mental issue. but, that's not always the case. some people just snap, be it out of anger, stress, etc.</div>
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The MSNBC article I read said the mom "showed no signs of serious mental illness" but "suffered from a 'low-grade chronic depressive condition' as well as alcohol and drug abuse." She was drunk when she (or her boyfriend) killed the baby.<br><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43111616/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43111616...me_and_courts/</a><br><br>
Time and time again drugs and alcohol prove to be more dangerous than mental illness.
 

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The death penalty may not teach them a lesson, but I think it would be a better deterrent. Most people are more afraid to die than to sit in jail for the rest of their life. If the death penalty were more common for violent crimes like the ones talked about in this thread, people may think twice about their actions. And some people don't really care if they are in jail. To them, it's free rent and food.<br><br>
I would love to get the message into criminal's heads (or potential criminals) "if I kill someone, I will be killed for the crime". Let them ponder over that.</div>
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I believe the woman in the OP's link knew that she could have gotten the death penalty for what she did, but still did it anyway.
 

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OMFG!!! This is absolutely disgusting. I'm sorry but trying to use this situation to their advantage is just disgraceful.<br><br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110524/ap_on_re_us/us_baby_death_microwave_billboard" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110524/...wave_billboard</a>
 

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OMFG!!! This is absolutely disgusting. I'm sorry but trying to use this situation to their advantage is just disgraceful.<br><br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110524/ap_on_re_us/us_baby_death_microwave_billboard" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110524/...wave_billboard</a></div>
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What? Why is it so disgraceful? Because humans and animals aren't equal and it would be tasteless to draw a connection between the two? I rather think the billboard is brilliant.
 

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what i meant by "off the hook" is that sometimes its easier for US to think that there is a mental issue and the person couldn't control themselves as opposed to them just doing something evil cus they could.<br>
obviously she is not getting off.
 

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OMFG!!! This is absolutely disgusting. I'm sorry but trying to use this situation to their advantage is just disgraceful.<br><br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110524/ap_on_re_us/us_baby_death_microwave_billboard" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110524/...wave_billboard</a></div>
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what else?
 
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