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I am newly veggie (about a month). I just stopped buying meat. I have two little boys 5 & 7 and they really don't know where meat comes from. I have been looking for an opportunity to tell them in a nonscary way. Well, today my youngest says, "Mom, I like beef." I said you know mommy doesn't eat meat anymore. "Why?" I told him beef comes from cows and I don't want to hurt them to get it. He says, "I don't want to hurt cows, but I like beef." I said well that is something to think about and left it at that.<br><br><br><br>
My husband came home from work and I told him about our conversation. He looked kind of mad. He said, "Don't do that to him, he can have beef it he likes it."<br><br><br><br>
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How about some books to help teach your little ones about why you made the choice for your family to go veggie. I bought these 2 for my nephew. He loves them.<br><br>
Herb The Vegetarian Dragon and Benji Bean Sprout Doesn't Eat Meat..another one is Cows Are Vegetarians.<br><br>
You can get these at Amazon.com <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/hamster.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":hamster:">
 

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My husband comes home from work and I tell him about our conversation. He looked kind of mad. He said, "Don't do that to him, he can have beef it he likes it."<br><br><br><br>
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Sensitive guy. Consider not replaying your conversations.
 

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I have been cooking like a short order chef. Anything they ask for I find a way to make and they all like the food I've made. I have not one complaint. Tonight it was veggie tacos, last night pizza, stir frys, soups, chili .....<br><br><br><br>
He doesn't like veggie burgers, all the rest he likes. As far as meat substitutes I have gotten veggie burgers, crumbles, and "chicken" patties. I don't like to use these things every day. I limit them to once or twice per week.<br><br><br><br>
He's talking about steak. I don't think I can substitute anything for that.<br><br><br><br>
I was just so surprised how dismissive my husband was to me about his because up until now he has been very supportive. I have done so much research on our foods and work really hard to keep our meals balanced. I feel like I have totally devoted my life to it. My son was just making an innocent comment and I just gave him some food for thought. I don't force anyone to do anything. My kids still eat meat when they are not home. But I want to educate them. I got some comments from my mom last week and now this one from my husband. I am doing this because I am thinking about our health, and of course, the animal's.<br><br><br><br>
We had another discussion tonight. My husband must have been thinking about what he said earlier. He said, "you know if it is something that he wants, he should be able to have it. He's a growing kid, maybe he needs it." I replied, "and all the growth hormones that go with it too right?" In the end, he agreed it wasn't healthy, but I could sense he wasn't totally on board.<br><br><br><br>
I hate feeling like I am doing something mean or wrong, when I KNOW I'm not.
 

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I would in sneaky ways try to get my husband more on board with this. For example, I'd google videos of what goes on in factory farms while he is nearby and then go, "Oh my goodness! I can't believe how bad it is! How can that even be legal!" Then perhaps your husband will take a peek and that may help sway him?
 

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Article about beef:<br><br><a href="http://www.preventcancer.com/consumers/general/hormones_meat.htm" target="_blank">http://www.preventcancer.com/consume...mones_meat.htm</a>
 

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Article about beef:<br><br><a href="http://www.preventcancer.com/consumers/general/hormones_meat.htm" target="_blank">http://www.preventcancer.com/consume...mones_meat.htm</a></div>
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Thank you! I will share this information with my husband. He did bring me home a peice from our local paper about an organic beef farmer in the area. I told him there is no way I could order meat from someone when I know they were going to kill an animal because I asked them too do it. I just can't.
 

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if you're worried about hormones and end up compromising to save yourself from fighting over the same thing, you could go for local, organic beef.<br><br><br><br>
This is going to be sticky because it sounds like your husband still eats meat. Is that right?<br><br><br><br>
ETA - oops, posted this before seeing yours.
 

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To be honest, I know that with summer coming, the grill will be coming out and there will be meat on it. I'm not going to eat it. I am going to request that it at least be kept to a minimum.<br><br><br><br>
I'm struggling with this. I had feelings of guilt over eating meat my whole life, but never made the decision to go vegetarian until very recently. The meet your meat video will never leave my mind. That was it for me. I cannot show this to my children, but I will buy them some of the books suggested. My husband will go along with my veggie ways day to day as long as I am cooking it, but will eat meat out or if the grill for themselves in the summer. I don't think I am going to be able to buy it for them though. It just makes me ill to see it all sitting there in the meat department. I don't know what to do about this. I can't expect everyone to change because I did, but we need to coexist. I guess I will just keep educating my kids and requesting that if my husband does buy meat, that he buy organic for the kids sake.<br><br><br><br>
I know I can't force anyone to do something they don't want to.
 
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i'm really glad you feel this way <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> i'm sure your kids will really benefit from your gentle guidance and encouragement of them to have their own thoughts and make their own educated choices.<br><br><br><br>
i think given time and space and a good role model, (as well as a mum who doesn't serve up meat!) they'll probably choose to at least eat veggie for the majority of the time, which is a step in the right direction. and they're only little people, it might take them time to understand, work out where they stand on things like eating meat, and for them to develop the courage to carry out their convictions, thats ok. my little bro went through a short spam eating phase (yuck) when he was about 10 (his best friend loved spam) but he came out the other side, so there is always hope!<br><br><br><br>
i have no memory of eating either steak or beef in general, but i bet you could rustle up some alternatives which help fill the steak gap, especially if your child could describe to you what it is that he likes about the meat... eg: texture, flavour, density, seasonings... it might even be that he mainly likes the gravy!<br><br><br><br>
vegweb.com has a whole 'alternatives to beef' section, some of the recipes from which might help you with ideas. you can find it here:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://vegweb.com/index.php?board=322.0" target="_blank">http://vegweb.com/index.php?board=322.0</a><br><br><br><br>
i also found a seitan beef cutlet recipe which looks pretty easy (never tried it as i can't eat wheat but its from a good source!) that might be fun to try:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.vegan-food.net/recipe/222/Seitan-Beef-Cutlets/" target="_blank">http://www.vegan-food.net/recipe/222...-Beef-Cutlets/</a><br><br><br><br>
i bet seitan, (served however he usually has steak, or in new recipes) might hit the spot. you can get beef flavoured stock cubes and bouillion, and use it with tvp chunks for adding a meatiness to stews, and even some marinaded fried or baked tofu might be good. i think you can get fake steak strips too... don't know anything about them though.<br><br><br><br>
good luck, and stick with it. you can't easily monitor what goes in their mouth 24-7, but what you cook them in your house is your choice, and its a big percentage of what they consume. its still a transitional period for them too, so given some time, they might forget about the taste of steak, or just get out of the habit of seeing it as food. and if they don't, and they eat it out of the house, or at barbeques, etc... if you're still getting 80% veg outta your kids, its 80% better than nothing, right?
 

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Morningstar steak strips are pretty dern good!<br><br><br><br>
I know that doesn't help the overall problem, but maybe if he found veggie alternatives he liked it would be easier for him not to eat beef.
 

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Do you know about this website yet? You can get recipes here that are really kid friendly right at the site, or even order their cook book!<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.veganlunchbox.com/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.veganlunchbox.com/index.html</a>
 

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Thank you! I haven't tried the Morningstar steak strips or seitan yet. I'll pick them both up this weekend when I go shopping.
 

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I noticed with my son that he rejected the meat substitutes at first. It is almost like he needed to forget the familiar taste before I could introduce the veggie alternatives. He's 11 and it has been gradual. Now I see that he is starting to tell people that he's veg*an and consistantly choosing the veg option at school or at relative's houses.
 

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Do you know about this website yet? You can get recipes here that are really kid friendly right at the site, or even order their cook book!<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.veganlunchbox.com/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.veganlunchbox.com/index.html</a></div>
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I love this site. I really need to start being more vigilant about packing their lunches for school. I think my oldest has food alergies. When he eats the school's pizza he is really hyper (I think it's the corn surup in their sauce). It would be a good way to cut down on the junk they call lunch at the school too.
 

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This is something that bugs me, whenever one parent tries to overcome the other and set rules for both parents. I'm talking about your husband, not insulting but he shouldn't have gotten upset and said "He can eat beef if he wants" he should have talked to you about what BOTH of you thinks you should do.
 

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This is something that bugs me, whenever one parent tries to overcome the other and set rules for both parents. I'm talking about your husband, not insulting but he shouldn't have gotten upset and said "He can eat beef if he wants" he should have talked to you about what BOTH of you thinks you should do.</div>
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I agree. It's really hard trying to find middle ground on all of it. I'm trying to stay fair to everyone. This discussion should have been private. I did feel put on the spot. I didn't respond further because I didn't want my son to think he had said anything wrong. I'll just keep giving them all tid bits of information and hopefully they will come around. It's all pretty new. Just over one month ago we were all eating meat and this just wasn't an issue. But, I rocked the boat. I can't change that, I am happy with my decision. I feel pretty lucky actually, no one has given me a hard time about cooking vegetarian every day. That doesn't always happen.
 

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Not to be mean, coz I am 22 and still act like a child myself (so what do I know?!) but you need to perhaps set some limits with your fella. You don't want to both be feeding different information to your kids about food, especially so young. I know people who have developed... lets say 'issues' with food after parental confliction. I think it's probably best not to discuss it with your kids until you and your husband can agree on a shared viewpoint.<br><br><br><br>
However, I think you are doing an amazing job, and kudos for sticking to your guns, even though it 'rocked the boat'. Please try not to feel guilty, your children are not suffering without meat at all. Don't let anyone undermine you on that.
 

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You don't want to both be feeding different information to your kids about food, especially so young. I know people who have developed... lets say 'issues' with food after parental confliction. I think it's probably best not to discuss it with your kids until you and your husband can agree on a shared viewpoint.</div>
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I think this is the part I am having the greatest difficulty with. My husband isn't going to become a vegetarian. So there are two different views in our home. Trying to explain my side without any horifying images, is hard. My husband an I both agree we don't want them to feel guilty about eating their dinners. I hope some of these books I'm going to order will help me explain it to them. It's a tough one. Right now, maybe I should just come from the direction of some foods are healthier than others and wait on the animal rights part. But, I think if I would have had the full story, I would have changed my ways long ago. Vicious circle....
 
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