Mock meat: for or against?
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My household hasn't gone for the mock meats at all. We tried Boca Italian sausage on our pizza but it wasn't that great so we just go with mushrooms, peppers, and suchlike vegs on our pizza. I don't feel any need for fake meat, nor does my husband. He doesn't like fake things (things trying hard to be other things).
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I was an executive of a soy milk manufacturer once and "soya stamp-up-and-down-on" was my suggestion for a new name but for some reason they kicked me out.<br><br><br><br>
I generally find that it's good that omnis know they can continue eating roughly the same things they are now eating. I also think veg*n food shouldn't be equated too much with "health food" because that concept has a negative connotation, referring to something like dried hay covered in swampwater sauce. So probably the best thing would be to make it clear to omnis that there are a lot of tasty mock products available (but not in those words), and yet in your own lifestyle you could eat an "original" vegan diet.
I generally find that it's good that omnis know they can continue eating roughly the same things they are now eating. I also think veg*n food shouldn't be equated too much with "health food" because that concept has a negative connotation, referring to something like dried hay covered in swampwater sauce. So probably the best thing would be to make it clear to omnis that there are a lot of tasty mock products available (but not in those words), and yet in your own lifestyle you could eat an "original" vegan diet.
I like a lot of fake meats. I see your point, but I don't think it's nearly as bad as you seem to. I think naming vegetarian items to their non-veggie equivalent promotes the fact that you can have similar tastes and textures to what you had as an omni.<br><br><br><br>
My favorite veggie sausage (and the only one I've really loved) came from the Bangers And Mash Cafe in London near Portabello Road. Absolutely fantastic.
My favorite veggie sausage (and the only one I've really loved) came from the Bangers And Mash Cafe in London near Portabello Road. Absolutely fantastic.
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For.
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Talk about reading waaay into something.<br><br>
If Im hungry and its there i'll eat it.
If Im hungry and its there i'll eat it.
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:"> for mock meat.<br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:"> for mock meat that contains no animal products<br><br><br><br>
I don't eat a whole heap myself. But products like this can only help new vegetarians or people trying to cut out meat, so it would be folly to take exception to them under some misguided idealistic fallacy that they are an endorsement of real meat's centrality.<br><br><br><br>
Or something.
I don't eat a whole heap myself. But products like this can only help new vegetarians or people trying to cut out meat, so it would be folly to take exception to them under some misguided idealistic fallacy that they are an endorsement of real meat's centrality.<br><br><br><br>
Or something.
I do not care either way, I think they are good to have around but they are a processed food and should not be eaten often.<br><br>
I do not care about what it is called<br><br>
The other day I had the oddest craving for a veggie burger so I ran out and got one.<br><br>
Second one I have ever had, much better thing to get than say a slab of dead cow.
I do not care about what it is called<br><br>
The other day I had the oddest craving for a veggie burger so I ran out and got one.<br><br>
Second one I have ever had, much better thing to get than say a slab of dead cow.
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I have nothing against them. Some fake meats are yummy, like yves 'pepperoni' slices are friggin amazing. I like them better than real pepperoni, i think (i don't remember the difference).<br><br><br><br>
But as noted, they are processed, so not necessarily the most healthy thing to eat on a daily basis. I also find them to be really expensive, which is the main reason I don't buy them for myself often. I mean, what should I do, spend 5 bucks on 6-7 cans of beans, with which i could make enough meals to last me a week, or should I spend 5 bucks on a package of "meat" that doesn't even begin to fill me up? If I'm visiting home, I'll ask my parents to buy me fake meat because it makes meal prep easier, and I don't have to spend the money. Hehe. I think fake meats are just treats.
But as noted, they are processed, so not necessarily the most healthy thing to eat on a daily basis. I also find them to be really expensive, which is the main reason I don't buy them for myself often. I mean, what should I do, spend 5 bucks on 6-7 cans of beans, with which i could make enough meals to last me a week, or should I spend 5 bucks on a package of "meat" that doesn't even begin to fill me up? If I'm visiting home, I'll ask my parents to buy me fake meat because it makes meal prep easier, and I don't have to spend the money. Hehe. I think fake meats are just treats.
I just find it weird that I would tell someone that I abstain from eating all meat and then eat something labeled "mock meat". I think that a meatless diet is about taken meat out of the diet, not adding something in place of it.<br><br><br><br>
That being said, they are definitely a good transition food for someone who used to consume a lot of meat. and if you cooked me a veggie burger, I'd eat it.
That being said, they are definitely a good transition food for someone who used to consume a lot of meat. and if you cooked me a veggie burger, I'd eat it.
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I don't dislike meat because of the taste.
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See, I view mock meats as a positive, because they taste good. I don't plan to eat them often when I go home because it would cost a lot and I don't want my parents to have to deal with that burden when they're nice enough to cook me veg meals.<br><br><br><br>
Sometimes it's nice to have a barbecue in the summer with your friends. Cook up some veggie burgers and have them try a more ethical way of eating. A lot of people have a block on going vegetarian because they like the way meat tastes. I was already resolved on going vegetarian before I really had a lot of the faux meats and that was just a bonus. I don't know why a compassionate person who tries a veggie burger would go back to eating the real thing since some taste just like meat.
Sometimes it's nice to have a barbecue in the summer with your friends. Cook up some veggie burgers and have them try a more ethical way of eating. A lot of people have a block on going vegetarian because they like the way meat tastes. I was already resolved on going vegetarian before I really had a lot of the faux meats and that was just a bonus. I don't know why a compassionate person who tries a veggie burger would go back to eating the real thing since some taste just like meat.
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I definitely get what you're saying lachry.<br><br>
It's like we're missing the point when we taste a "fake burger"" and say "Ehh this doesn't taste like a 'real' burger..."</div>
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It may not matter though if you can not recall how a real burger tastes <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:">
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I definitely get what you're saying lachry.<br><br>
It's like we're missing the point when we taste a "fake burger"" and say "Ehh this doesn't taste like a 'real' burger..."</div>
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It may not matter though if you can not recall how a real burger tastes <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:">
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Keep in mind that some people LOVE meat and become vegetarians, for example, for the good of the enviroment or for animals. These products offer alternatives so they do not feel deprived.<br><br><br><br>
Personally, I don't eat any pre-made ones because I think they are all rank, or, they contain ingredients I am allergic to.<br><br><br><br>
But I have eaten a homemade bean burger and use TVP. Those are 'fake meat' alternatives, too.
Personally, I don't eat any pre-made ones because I think they are all rank, or, they contain ingredients I am allergic to.<br><br><br><br>
But I have eaten a homemade bean burger and use TVP. Those are 'fake meat' alternatives, too.
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Definitely For.<br><br><br><br>
They shouldn't be eaten every day but it's an easy and tasty way to get protein. I think 'mock meat' is also about nostalgia for me. I miss the feeling/memories surrounding certain foods like chicken & dumplings and chicken noodle soup. And sometimes I just want something on a bun with ketchup like I used to eat.<br><br><br><br>
Those big ole mushrooms scare the crap out of me.<br><br><br><br>
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They shouldn't be eaten every day but it's an easy and tasty way to get protein. I think 'mock meat' is also about nostalgia for me. I miss the feeling/memories surrounding certain foods like chicken & dumplings and chicken noodle soup. And sometimes I just want something on a bun with ketchup like I used to eat.<br><br><br><br>
Those big ole mushrooms scare the crap out of me.<br><br><br><br>
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- but the downside, I think, is that it doesn't challenge the centrality of 'meat'. After all, most veggie 'meats' sell themselves, implicitly, as artificial items: fake sausages, fake mince, etc. But maybe veggie items should be focusing more on what they are, rather than what they are not. And we, veggies, should not see ourselves as chasing replication but enjoying veggie food for its distinction as well. When I first prepared a meal from "burger mix" my first thought was, it doesnt't taste like the real thing. This was wrong, wrong, wrong. After all, why should it taste like something it isn't?</div>
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Why is that "wrong, wrong, wrong"? I want meat substitutes that taste like meat. That.is.the.whole.point.
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>lachry</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
- but the downside, I think, is that it doesn't challenge the centrality of 'meat'. After all, most veggie 'meats' sell themselves, implicitly, as artificial items: fake sausages, fake mince, etc. But maybe veggie items should be focusing more on what they are, rather than what they are not. And we, veggies, should not see ourselves as chasing replication but enjoying veggie food for its distinction as well. When I first prepared a meal from "burger mix" my first thought was, it doesnt't taste like the real thing. This was wrong, wrong, wrong. After all, why should it taste like something it isn't?</div>
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Why is that "wrong, wrong, wrong"? I want meat substitutes that taste like meat. That.is.the.whole.point.
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Those big ole mushrooms scare the crap out of me.<br><br><br><br>
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You need a nicley done portabella burger..yes yes you do <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/lick.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lick:">
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Those big ole mushrooms scare the crap out of me.<br><br><br><br>
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You need a nicley done portabella burger..yes yes you do <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/lick.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lick:">
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