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I am so confused I fianlly made a comfortable switch to a vegan diet with many probelms along the way with friends and family, it has been hard. Anyway I just skimmed over Eat For Life and Disease Proof your Child and Dr. Fuhrman says that eating meat is good, he says children should eat chicken and fish. Also he says that tofu is associated with brain failure later in life? He also says that soymilk is a highly processed soy food and should be ate minimally. WHat, see these are the kinds of things that make people just throw in the towel and say F--- it I will jsut eat what I want. HAs anyone read his books? AM I getting his message wrong?
 

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I am so confused I fianlly made a comfortable switch to a vegan diet with many probelms along the way with friends and family, it has been hard. Anyway I just skimmed over Eat For Life and Disease Proof your Child and Dr. Fuhrman says that eating meat is good, he says children should eat chicken and fish. Also he says that tofu is associated with brain failure later in life? He also says that soymilk is a highly processed soy food and should be ate minimally. WHat, see these are the kinds of things that make people just throw in the towel and say F--- it I will jsut eat what I want. HAs anyone read his books? AM I getting his message wrong? I have heard completely opposite ideas from John Robbins and Colin Campbell, the describge soy milk as a minimally processed soy product?
 

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I'm sorry but you got Dr. Fuhrman completely and utterly wrong. Dr. Fuhrman does not say meat, chicken, or fish is good for you at all. I don't understand where you are getting this from. He never said that tofu is associated with brain failure or that soy food should not be eaten. You are really getting the wrong messages here and I am not sure if you even read his books. Have you read his bestselling book, Eat To Live?<br><br><br><br>
On his website he writes about soy and says that it is a bean that is healthful, but does not view it as a superfood. In Disease Proof Your Child he has many recipes that employ tofu and soymilk. Before you begin accusing a public figure of certain beliefs, may sure you get the information correct.<br><br><br><br>
I have read all of Dr. Fuhrman’s books and newsletters and he has no problem with veganism, but does not say it is essential to be completely vegan to be in great health. John Robbins says the same thing!! Fuhrman does advise people which animal products are preferable if people do choose to eat a very small amount each week.<br><br><br><br>
Your post just baffles me. I think if you really did study Dr. Fuhrman’s message you would be less confused about nutrition and not more confused. Please read his informative books, take a look at his website and then come back and take another crack at commenting on his viewpoints.
 

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You are right I have not read his books. I skimmed through one at the store today and skimmed another on AMazon.com. The reason I checked his book out is because I heard an interview with him on govegan radio and he sounded wonderful. So I checked out his books and this is what I got from skimming them. I wanted to ask those of you who have read it before I made any kind of judgement or bought the book. You have made me happy to know I am wrong now I will buy the books. I am not accusing a public figure I was simply asking a question and asking for clarification because I had a hunch that I was completely misunderstading the book. Anyway I am sorry for causing you such anger. Thanks for clarifying.
 

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Ok, sorry for appearing so angry. It is just that Dr. Fuhrman has helped so many people get rid of a great deal of horrible health problems such as diabetes, high blood pressure, obesity, lupus, chronic ear infections and the like. I would hate for people to get the wrong messages about him because of the huge opportunity for them to get healthier. He is also not deserving of people spreading false words about him and people do not deserve to be turned off from his messages as they are so helpful.<br><br><br><br>
Wishing you health and happiness! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:">
 

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I'm sorry but you got Dr. Fuhrman completely and utterly wrong. Dr. Fuhrman does not say meat, chicken, or fish is good for you at all. I don't understand where you are getting this from. He never said that tofu is associated with brain failure or that soy food should not be eaten. You are really getting the wrong messages here and I am not sure if you even read his books. Have you read his bestselling book, Eat To Live?<br><br><br><br>
On his website he writes about soy and says that it is a bean that is healthful, but does not view it as a superfood. In Disease Proof Your Child he has many recipes that employ tofu and soymilk. Before you begin accusing a public figure of certain beliefs, may sure you get the information correct.<br><br><br><br>
I have read all of Dr. Fuhrman’s books and newsletters and he has no problem with veganism, but does not say it is essential to be completely vegan to be in great health. John Robbins says the same thing!! Fuhrman does advise people which animal products are preferable if people do choose to eat a very small amount each week.<br><br><br><br>
Your post just baffles me. I think if you really did study Dr. Fuhrman’s message you would be less confused about nutrition and not more confused. Please read his informative books, take a look at his website and then come back and take another crack at commenting on his viewpoints.
 

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I don't know what book you read but Dr. Fuhrman's Eat to live book does not state anything about meat being good for you and he surely doesn't mention that tofu is associsted with brain failure later in life!!!You have completely slandered a wonderful and brilliant doctor who has dedicated his life to making so many people healthy. Go to his website and read all of the sucess stories and then maybe you will see what a great doctor he is! Oh by the way, try reading the book cover to cover before you comment on something.
 

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I am not slandering anyone I was simply asking a question, this is what I got from the book. I saw his recipes and they included chicken and fish, this is a fact. I was only asking a question and you corrected me, isn't that what these boards are for? It is not like I went on TV and "slandered this man" I was asking a question to people who I thought could set me straight. Sorry. I will think twice before asking any of you a question again.
 

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In Eat to Live he suggests that he isn't sure which is healthier, a completely veg*n diet or one with a very small amount of chicken and fish. Therefore, he includes some recipes with animal products.<br><br><br><br>
I'm not sure where you got the message about soy, however. He believes in limiting processed foods, for sure (ie. soymilk) but never (to my recollection) suggests they're going to get brain failure from eating tofu.<br><br><br><br>
Eh, I'm not a big fan in any case.
 

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In Eat to Live he suggests that he isn't sure which is healthier, a completely veg*n diet or one with a very small amount of chicken and fish. Therefore, he includes some recipes with animal products.<br><br><br><br>
I'm not sure where you got the message about soy, however. He believes in limiting processed foods, for sure (ie. soymilk) but never (to my recollection) suggests they're going to get brain failure from eating tofu.<br><br><br><br>
Eh, I'm not a big fan in any case.
 

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You guys are very defensive about this guy. But I wanted all of you to know that I have the book in my possession and I am half way through it. I will post the link to where I read tofu was linked to brain failure. I will be right back.
 

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Recently, a few studies appeared showing potentially negative effects of consuming too much soy. One particularly troublesome study done in Hawaii suggested that men with higher tofu intake had more cognitive decline and brain atrophy with aging than men who ate little tofu.1 This data contradicts evidence that Japanese men, who consume tofu regularly, have better cognitive function and lower rates of Alzheimer’s disease than American men.2 Obviously, more studies are needed to clarify these suggestive findings and to determine if there is something in tofu or related to tofu consumption that may be harmful. After reviewing these findings, Dr. Harris had soy products from Hawaii tested for aluminum levels and found a significantly higher level of aluminum in tofu from Hawaii than in tofu from the mainland. The aluminum factor may be a plausible explanation for the alleged “brain aging” properties of soy.<br><br><br><br>
This is what I read on javascript<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/blush.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":eek:">l('<a href="http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/cat-healthy-food.html" target="_blank">http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/cat-healthy-food.html</a>');<br><br><br><br>
I am not saying I believe this I don't at all, it is just proof that I did read it and I am not crazy. Anway this is just hearsay and basically I see that his poit is to get a variety of all plant foods.
 

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^ Except that the point he is putting forward is that it seems to be an increased consumption of aluminum (hence non-aluminum baking powder, etc.) that is dangerous, not the tofu.
 

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I am sure this will really piss you guys off. I finished his book Eat to Live and I did not really like it. Sorry.
 

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Purrpelle, it's not Dr. Harris (don't know where you got that name from), it's Dr. Fuhrman. He is the best selling author of the book Eat to Live. He is a nutritional doctor who supports vegetarianism/veganism. Tiggybrown, may I ask why you didn't like it? It's fine that you had problems with it, but it is important to explain our reasons. Subjects such as these should be discussed with reasoning and not just statements of opinion.
 

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I can read. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> I got the name Dr. Harris from this quote, in this very thread:<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>tiggybrown</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Recently, a few studies appeared showing potentially negative effects of consuming too much soy. One particularly troublesome study done in Hawaii suggested that men with higher tofu intake had more cognitive decline and brain atrophy with aging than men who ate little tofu.1 This data contradicts evidence that Japanese men, who consume tofu regularly, have better cognitive function and lower rates of Alzheimers disease than American men.2 Obviously, more studies are needed to clarify these suggestive findings and to determine if there is something in tofu or related to tofu consumption that may be harmful. After reviewing these findings, <b>Dr. Harris</b> had soy products from Hawaii tested for aluminum levels and found a significantly higher level of aluminum in tofu from Hawaii than in tofu from the mainland. The aluminum factor may be a plausible explanation for the alleged brain aging properties of soy.<br><br><br><br>
This is what I read on javascript<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/blush.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":eek:">l('<a href="http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/cat-healthy-food.html" target="_blank">http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/cat-healthy-food.html</a>');<br><br><br><br>
I am not saying I believe this I don't at all, it is just proof that I did read it and I am not crazy. Anway this is just hearsay and basically I see that his poit is to get a variety of all plant foods.</div>
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Opps, sorry purrpelle, I guess I just missed his name. Ok, well I guess Dr. Harris is just one of the doctors who conducted the study.
 

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Dr Fuhrman does not make me feel confident in being a Vegan, he makes me doubt this lifestyle. He makes it seem like white sugar and flour are just as dangerous as animal products. If this is true I don't why I bother struggling with Veganism and taking all the crap I get about it from my friends and family. I could just stop eating everything besides green leafy vegetables. It is very stressful and unrealistic for me to live the way he describes, it makes me feel eating healthy, according to him, is unattainable.
 
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