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I posted that video in another thread! :p</div>
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I didn't read that thread. Anyway, if the same video has been posted twice that means it's good. Colleen Patrick-Goudreau is a very smart and articulate activist. I really admire her.
 

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I didn't read that thread. Anyway, if the same video has been posted twice that means it's good. Colleen Patrick-Goudreau is a very smart and articulate activist. I really admire her.</div>
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I do too, she is amazing.
 

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I check out companies who I buy from who use cows milk.<br><br>
The ones I buy from are obviously UK based. They use dual purpose breed so rather than being shot at birth, the males are either reared for beef on their own farm or sold to organic beef farms rather than being sold for veal. The majority of the UK eats beef, so its a compromise. Some supermarkets in the UK have also made the move towards dual breeds.<br><br>
They are also organic, and in the UK, this means that the cows must spend all but the cruddiest weather out in fields, and must have good bedding in the winter. I'm not aware of the standards elsewhere.<br><br><br><br>
Its a case of asking as many questions to the companies as possible.
 

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Besides switching to plant milks, I'd definitely go for a small, local farm's milk as an alternative. I used to buy milk from a small organic farm in northern California because their milk tasted great and I was satisfied with the conditions of the cows (this was pre-vegetarian for me). They didn't keep most of their males, but they sold them to companies which normally raised them for beef. They tried to avoid selling them for veal, which was at least a preferable alternative to me. Also, they were organic but when a cow truly needed antibiotics they would give them to her and remove her from the herd. I'm now sure what they did with them, but I think they might've used her milk for the babies or something instead of just selling her off for meat.<br><br><br><br>
Anyway, it certainly wasn't an ideal situation, but I thought it was better than some of the alternatives.<br><br><br><br>
If you'd like to continue using cows milk, that's totally your choice. Don't feel bullied by anyone here (not that I think they WERE bullying you, they were answering the question how they thought most appropriate). Just make sure you choose as humane a dairy farm as possible, with conditions you can live with.
 

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I think they might've used her milk for the babies or something instead of just selling her off for meat.</div>
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Of course she's going to be made into meat, if not immediately, then inevitably, on every commercial farm, free range, organic, or local. People can drink all the milk they want, but it's important to be clear about what's involved. They're not sanctuaries.
 

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I am not sure. I think the best way to find a local farm where you can check out the farm and ask questions is your seasonal grower's market or local coop.
 

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Of course she's going to be made into meat, if not immediately, then inevitably, on every commercial farm, free range, organic, or local. People can drink all the milk they want, but it's important to be clear about what's involved. They're not sanctuaries.</div>
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Sorry, I meant to specify that she'd be kept longer, while she was of use to them and still producing milk, before being sold off particularly young (yes, I realize they're still killed much younger than their natural lifespan).
 

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Have you tried mothermilk?
 

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Have you tried mothermilk?</div>
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What's that?
 

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Hi, jlo! I think the other posts have pretty much covered it.<br><br><br><br>
Theoretically, I think the problems of what to do with the male calves, and their mothers after they were no longer producing milk, could be solved. Of course, one would have to be okay with the idea of using animals so long as they are treated well during their lives and not killed before their natural lives were over.<br><br><br><br>
Cows could be kept with their calves, and only milk produced in excess of what her calf needs would be taken. Cows who aren't being milked, as well as the males (oxen), might be draft animals on the farms where they lived. HOWEVER- I suspect that the level of dairy consumption we now have would be unsustainable by these methods, and milk products would be more expensive than they are now.<br><br><br><br>
In any case, I don't know of any <b>commercial</b> dairies that are run like this. The Hare Krishna communities mentioned earlier in this thread treat their herds acceptably- but I believe they only produce enough milk for their own communities' use. I'm sure some folks have "pet" cows who live good, full lives, but again I don't personally know any... so I'm afraid you'll have to keep looking. Sorry I couldn;t offer more help.
 

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you know, im eating almond milk with my cereal right now and truly, i cant really tell the difference</div>
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I feel the same about using soy milk, I hardly notice.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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In any case, I don't know of any <b>commercial</b> dairies that are run like this. The Hare Krishna communities mentioned earlier in this thread treat their herds acceptably- but I believe they only produce enough milk for their own communities' use.</div>
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It's also tremendously expensive to produce and the cost would probably be prohibitive. A pint of normal cow's milk here is about 50p, a pint of Hare Krishna milk costs about £3 to produce.
 

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All dairy farms permanently remove calves from their mom within minutes. Cows are emotionally sophisticated animals that suffer when this happens, in a tormented state of sadness and calling out for its baby for days. Humane milk is a myth. By drinking milk you fund terror for cows and for calves. Normally cows live til they’re over 25 but on dairy farms they die of exhaustion by 5 on average. Over 80,000 male calves are killed every year in the US alone by the calf holocaust known as the dairy industry. Embrace compassion and go plant based.
I was wondering if anybody knew which brands of milk were known for their fair treatment of cows? Of course, either way, it is an unfair practice when milking cows for human consumption, but I couldn't find my answer on the web.<br><br><br><br>
Currently, I drink Safeway's Lucerne milk.<br><br><br><br>
Thank you
 
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