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I was wondering if anybody knew which brands of milk were known for their fair treatment of cows? Of course, either way, it is an unfair practice when milking cows for human consumption, but I couldn't find my answer on the web.<br><br><br><br>
Currently, I drink Safeway's Lucerne milk.<br><br><br><br>
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It depends what you class as fair treatment! Large corporations care about money and productivity, and that is always going to be prioritised above welfare. If you really want to drink cow's milk find some small local farms and check them out for yourself. See if those conditions are ones you'd be happy to live in for five years or so. Wherever you get it from, it's 99% certain the male calves are being raised or sold for veal, away from their mothers and deprived of iron. And the cows will still be slaughtered when they stop being productive enough to be profitable.<br><br><br><br>
As you point out, it's not our milk to take. It belongs to the calves, so why not find yourself a nice plant milk to drink? They're tastier, healthier and don't involve all the cruelties of dairy farming.
 

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I was wondering if anybody knew which brands of milk were known for their fair treatment of cows? Of course, either way, it is an unfair practice when milking cows for human consumption, but I couldn't find my answer on the web.<br><br><br><br>
Currently, I drink Safeway's Lucerne milk.<br><br><br><br>
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Im sorry to say, there is no such thing.<br><br>
For cows to produce milk, they have to be pregnant, either by artificial incemination, or rape. Actually, i think id say artificial incemination IS rape.<br><br>
The end result of a pregnant cow, is calves. These calves will go for veal, of which the end result will be death. Afer the cow is no longer producing enough milk, its the slaughterhouse for her.<br><br>
Milk IS murder, theres no two ways about it.
 

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I asked the checker at Whole Foods if their milk came from cows that are humanely raised. He said maybe a little better than other brands, but not much.<br><br><br><br>
He then suggested that I watch Food Inc.<br><br><br><br>
I just tried almond milk the other day. It was quite good. I am not vegan, but I am using far less animal products.
 

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I would have to agree that cow milk production is not and cannot be animal friendly. Whatever the conditions the cows are kept in while they are being farmed, there's always the issue that they are made to have a calf every year (meaning they're pregnant and lactating at the same time for most of the year) and then what happens to that calf - usually either raised for veal/beef or just shot at birth, while some females will become replacement dairy cows. The dairy cows will be killed very prematurely, for example in the UK it's normally by the age of 5 years, when a cow's natural lifespan is 25 years, and I imagine it will be similar in other countries. For these reasons the whole 'milk from happy cows' concept is pretty meaningless.
 

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All excellent points. HOWEVER - IF one is going to continue to drink cow's milk, are there certain brands that are "better"? Horizon Organics, perhaps, or Alta Dena? Where do the Krishnas get their milk?
 

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Almond, Hemp, Soy, Rice are ALL animal friendly milks.
 

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Thank you everybody for your responses. That is very informative information as I've never really been aware of the process of milking cows. I already drink soy milk because of the health benefits and it tastes great, but my selfishness tends to lean towards milk cow since it's cheaper. But definitely, I am making the switch.
 

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All excellent points. HOWEVER - IF one is going to continue to drink cow's milk, are there certain brands that are "better"? Horizon Organics, perhaps, or Alta Dena? Where do the Krishnas get their milk?</div>
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These were the brands at Whole Foods that I asked about in my earlier response. *shrugs*
 

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All excellent points. HOWEVER - IF one is going to continue to drink cow's milk, are there certain brands that are "better"? Horizon Organics, perhaps, or Alta Dena? Where do the Krishnas get their milk?</div>
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What Randy said...<br><br><br><br>
This is the "New To Vegetarianism" thread and as such, we should be offering support or at least trying to answer the question in a helpful way - not trying to convince someone they can't drink milk on their first post!<br><br>
The OP asked about dairies that treat their animals better, if you don't know of any, then just say so and save the other comments for a vegan thread.
 

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No, the OP asked if we know of any milk brands where the cows are treated fairly. It's perfectly reasonable and not unsupportive to explain why none of them can be considered that way.<br><br><br><br>
As for the Krishnas, a small family-run farm would be preferable. Second to that I believe they buy organic, though contrary to the dairy industry's propaganda that says very little about the welfare.<br><br><br><br>
I really think for your own peace of mind you have to see the cows in their living conditions and see if you deem them fair or not. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Just FYI, that's factory farmed. Most people think that organic animal products can't come from factory farms, but that's incorrect. Put "horizon dairy factory farming" into Google and several articles will come up.<br><br><br><br>
On every commercial dairy farm - whether free range, organic, or local - calves are forcefully removed from their mothers on the day of or within days of birth, at great distress to both. They may look and call for each other for 6 months. The worst abuses of dairy happen at every dairy farm.
 

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If you live some where with farming, look for a small farm that you can buy from. If you're in the barn, checking things out, you'll have a good feel for the place.
 

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If you live some where with farming, look for a small farm that you can buy from. If you're in the barn, checking things out, you'll have a good feel for the place.</div>
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...and ask if you can be there when they remove calves from mothers. And ask what happens to the males, and if you can see where they end up. And ask where the cows get slaughtered when they're spent, and check that out too. There's more to their lives than just a sanitized moment on the farm.
 

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Store bought milk is not animal friendly.<br><br><br><br>
Some farms are able to offer friendly milk but in limited quantities as they don't force their cows to become pregnant. I live near such a farm but rarely get milk from them because of it's limited availability and high cost.<br><br><br><br>
But if you are a big milk fan, then it's a good way to go but most people do not live near places like that.<br><br><br><br>
I hope to one day be able to take care of cows on my own property. It's a dream of mine.
 

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When possible, Krishnas will get their own milk. Most temples have at least one small cow protection farm connected to it.<br><br><br><br>
If it's not available that way then they usually buy organic milk and/or cut down on the dairy consumption. I have seen milk alternatives being used at the temple here where I live.
 

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Exploitation of cows (or goats) for their milk can never ever be animal friendly. There is a lot of suffering on every single drop of milk humans steal from the cows and the calves.<br><br><br><br><a href="http:" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhzxuYgHoMs</a>
 

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Exploitation of cows (or goats) for their milk can never ever be animal friendly. There is a lot of suffering on every single drop of milk humans steal from the cows and the calves.<br><br><br><br><a href="http:" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhzxuYgHoMs</a></div>
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I posted that video in another thread! :p
 
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