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Ugh.<br><br><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/vick-eagles-agree-on-six-year-contract-extension/2011/08/30/gIQAQ03IpJ_video.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...IpJ_video.html</a>
 

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so?
 

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So<br><br>
if I'm an 8 year old boy, I might think its okay to needlessly brutalize dogs because nobody will have a problem with it, as long as you are a sports hero. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/mad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":mad:">
 

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It's disgusting.
 

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if I'm an 8 year old boy, I might think its okay to needlessly brutalize dogs because nobody will have a problem with it, as long as you are a sports hero. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/mad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":mad:"></div>
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considering that "Vick was sentenced to 23 months in prison on the federal charges on December 10, 2007"<br><br>
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<div class="quote-block">Companies employing Vick for endorsements and producing or selling Vick-related products apparently reacted to the negative publicity soon after the federal indictments. According to the Norfolk Virginian-Pilot, Nike was Vick's biggest endorsement deal. The company initially announced in July that it had "suspended Michael Vick's contract without pay, and will not sell any more Michael Vick product at Nike owned retail at this time." although the company said it had not terminated the contract, apparently waiting for a guilty plea or a conviction to do so, as animal-rights activists had urged the company to do. However, Nike also announced it was suspending the release of the Zoom Vick V, a new line of shoes. On August 24, hours after details of Vick's guilt plea and statement of facts were made public, Nike announced it was completely terminating its relationship with him.[83] Adidas announced its Reebok division would stop selling Vick football jerseys. The NFL said it had pulled all Vick-related items from NFLShop.com.[84] Trading card companies including Donruss and Upper Deck soon followed with similar actions. St. Louis-based sporting goods manufacturer Rawlings, which used Vick's likeness to sell merchandise and modeled a football using his name, ended its relationship. The same day, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that Dick's Sporting Goods and Sports Authority stores have also stopped selling Vick-related goods.[85]<br><br>
Some fans of the Atlanta Falcons have been donating their Vick-related jerseys and shirts to the Atlanta Humane Society for use as animal bedding and cleaning rags. Others have produced dog chew toys in Vick's effigy.</div>
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<div class="quote-block">During the furor arising around the Bad Newz Kennels investigation and prosecutions, even such diverse notables as hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons and the Reverend Al Sharpton joined with the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) and PETA - People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals in calling for strong stands against animal cruelty, jointly stating:<br>
"Today, we sound a clarion call to all people: Stand up for what is right, and speak out against what is wrong. Dogfighting is unacceptable. Hurting animals for human pleasure or gain is despicable. Cruelty is just plain wrong." [81]<br><br>
Major League Baseball pitcher Mark Buehrle of the Chicago White Sox commented that he hoped Vick would get injured after he was reinstated to football. Buehrle, an animal rights activists, told MLB.com "he had a great year and a great comeback, but there were times where we watched the game, and I know it's bad to say, but there were times where we hope he gets hurt...everything you've done to these dogs, something bad needs to happen to these guys."</div>
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I'd say that there was people who had a "problem" with it.
 

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I'm sure we are all very well aware that he is viewed negatively. But does that still make it okay for the NFL to make him one of their highest paid players? I think not. It sends a message.<br><br>
I think you responding "<b>so</b>" conveys that YOU don't care that he is getting paid millions after what he did. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I'm sure we are all very well aware that he is viewed negatively. But does that still make it okay for the NFL to make him one of their highest paid players? I think not. It sends a message.<br><br>
I think you responding "<b>so</b>" conveys that YOU don't care that he is getting paid millions after what he did. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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no, because it isn't related.<br><br>
if his sentenced was served, then I see no reason to not let them pay him for playing good football.<br><br>
the quality of a person does not determine his skill for sports.
 

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no, because it isn't related.<br><br>
if his sentenced was served, then I see no reason to not let them pay him for playing good football.<br><br>
the quality of a person does not determine his skill for sports.</div>
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The fact is the only reason that he's allowed to play again at all is because those were dogs he tortured and killed, not humans.<br><br>
If he had done the same things to humans (drowned them, electrocuted them, pulled their teeth out, forced them to fight for sport, strangled them, etc.) he'd not only never be allowed to play again he'd still be in jail.
 

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The fact is the only reason that he's allowed to play again at all is because those were dogs he tortured and killed, not humans.<br><br>
If he had done the same things to humans (drowned them, electrocuted them, pulled their teeth out, forced them to fight for sport, strangled them, etc.) he'd not only never be allowed to play again he'd still be in jail.</div>
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of course.<br><br>
because<br><br>
1. animals aren't valued as much as humans in our society<br>
2. he's not playing against dogs right now<br><br>
it's not like he would be the prime candidate of anything related to dogs.
 

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of course.<br><br>
because<br><br>
1. animals aren't valued as much as humans in our society<br>
2. he's not playing against dogs right now<br><br>
it's not like he would be the prime candidate of anything related to dogs.</div>
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No, but he would be enjoying wealth and success and happiness after brutally torturing and killing a bunch of sentient creatures. It's only our cultural bias against animals that makes people not see him as a serial killer and psycho. I mean, the stories I read about what he did to those dogs were <i>graphic,</i> they really suffered.<br><br>
I think it's sad and sick that our society doesn't value the lives of dogs at all and is so quick to forget the things he did for the sake of a sport. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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I agree with werewolf girl.<br><br>
You know, if someone gets arrested for a drug conviction or for stealing, they have a hard time getting a job. You can say their criminal history may implicate their trustworthiness in terms of employment, but the same can be said for Michael Vick.<br><br>
I'm sure he thought he could get away with a slap on the wrist, and essentially, he has. If you look at his life today and compare it to his life before he was arrested, what has changed? He still has crazy money. Don't you think that contributed to his criminal pursuits? Because I'm sure gambling is a large part of dog fights, and you have to have money to gamble. And I also think that at a certain level, he feels he can do whatever he wants with impunity. As long as people idolize this abusive foul person, he will do what he wants to do....because we forgive those we idolize....<br><br>
IMHO, you can't treat animals the way he did and be a normal functioning member of society. It is TOO sick. We shouldn't treat him like a normal functioning member of society. And we shouldn't set him apart as a special member of our society. We shouldn't reward his athletic skill when he shows so little remorse and so little regard for our societies rules and expectations.
 

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No, but he would be enjoying wealth and success and happiness after brutally torturing and killing a bunch of sentient creatures. It's only our cultural bias against animals that makes people not see him as a serial killer and psycho. I mean, the stories I read about what he did to those dogs were <i>graphic,</i> they really suffered.<br><br>
I think it's sad and sick that our society doesn't value the lives of dogs at all and is so quick to forget the things he did for the sake of a sport. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("></div>
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IMHO, you can't treat animals the way he did and be a normal functioning member of society. It is TOO sick.</div>
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Agreed.
 

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I agree with werewolf girl.<br><br>
You know, if someone gets arrested for a drug conviction or for stealing, they have a hard time getting a job. You can say their criminal history may implicate their trustworthiness in terms of employment, but the same can be said for Michael Vick.<br><br>
I'm sure he thought he could get away with a slap on the wrist, and essentially, he has. If you look at his life today and compare it to his life before he was arrested, what has changed? He still has crazy money. Don't you think that contributed to his criminal pursuits? Because I'm sure gambling is a large part of dog fights, and you have to have money to gamble. And I also think that at a certain level, he feels he can do whatever he wants with impunity. As long as people idolize this abusive foul person, he will do what he wants to do....because we forgive those we idolize....<br><br>
IMHO, you can't treat animals the way he did and be a normal functioning member of society. It is TOO sick. We shouldn't treat him like a normal functioning member of society. And we shouldn't set him apart as a special member of our society. We shouldn't reward his athletic skill when he shows so little remorse and so little regard for our societies rules and expectations.</div>
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yes. yes. yes. x 1000
 

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I am not a sports fan and don't get how these folks make so much money. I don't condone what the guy did or even whether he is legit in his turn around. I would suggest that even for the wrong reasons his influence and money may really help dogs and other animals. Just a thought and not taking sides. I am not vegan or overly protective of animals, but I do love dogs and have a huge appreciation of pits. my parents just spent $13,000 to save theirs and they finally put him down only for the love they have for him. my dad has been a wreck and I feel bad. I guess I am just saying that even if he is being phony and hopefully not, he will use some of his money to save dogs. A guy like this can do a lot for dogs and even if it is just for publicity it still can help these amazing dogs. I would prefer great teachers and people that do good for the majority were valued so much.
 

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What's even sadder is how there's a social class with animals. If he'd done what he did to those dogs to, say, chickens or cows, he might not have even been charged as much as he did. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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I am not a sports fan and don't get how these folks make so much money. I don't condone what the guy did or even whether he is legit in his turn around. I would suggest that even for the wrong reasons his influence and money may really help dogs and other animals. Just a thought and not taking sides. I am not vegan or overly protective of animals, but I do love dogs and have a huge appreciation of pits. my parents just spent $13,000 to save theirs and they finally put him down only for the love they have for him. my dad has been a wreck and I feel bad. I guess I am just saying that even if he is being phony and hopefully not, he will use some of his money to save dogs. A guy like this can do a lot for dogs and even if it is just for publicity it still can help these amazing dogs. I would prefer great teachers and people that do good for the majority were valued so much.</div>
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There is no turn around. He has no remorse whatsoever for what he did. He is only regretful that he got caught. He views his torture and murder as "no big deal" and blames everyone else for having a problem with it. He isn't going to influence anyone. He is an evil psycho who got a sick twisted pleasure out of murdering and torturing these dogs. The stuff he did was horrendous. Please look up all the graphic details of what exactly he did and you will see that the only good thing he would do for dogs is to never be allowed near one ever again.
 

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Ok, so if for what ever reason he donates $1M to a shelter, then it is no better now than then? I detest what he did and only am saying that his fame and money can still do some good. If his terrible actions hurt or even killed 100 dogs, but saves a thousand from death then I don't excuse his actions what so ever, but like the fact knowing that 1000 dogs or whatever there may be will be helped. he already did the crime and I don't follow him or like him, but am still happy others will or might live with his money and regret or need for publicity. he can't go to jail again and I don't support him in any way, but will take his money. Would you rather dogs at a shelter die just over principal?
 

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More than 1000 people who weren't interested enough in Dog fighting before to actually participate in it, will now be quite interested in participating, because a celebrity was involved in it, and came out just fine after being caught. Character gets copied.
 
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