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Did anyone see it?<br><br>
I think he did appear to be oblivious to certain cultural expectations, and was perhaps "immature" as the jouralist said, but other than that, I think they tried to make a mountain out of a molehill. Yes, he is definitely eccentric. Yes, he probably has mental problems. But I do think he is sincere, and probably a fun guy to hang out with.<br><br><br><br>
Like when the journalist used his love of climbing trees and using sitting in trees as inspiration as an example of how he needs to, "Grow up and act like an adult" I lost a little respect for the narrator's intentions. The fact of the matter is, we don't know him.
 

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Enjoying climbing trees and sitting therein makes someone immature and needing to be downplayed? Good grief, climbing trees is fun! Perhaps it's a stress-buster or something like that. We all need outlets.
 

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I have no problem with kid-like behavior, so long as it doesn't hurt anyone, but the part about "sleeping in bed with the children" struck me as being rather...creepy.<br><br><br><br>
Just my opinion, though.<br><br><br><br>
I didn't actually see the whole thing, but I heard the sound byte about the sleeping with children thing on the radio this morning, and it just seemed Not Right. But, I didn't see it in the context of the interview, so perhaps I'm mistaken.
 

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I want to add, I do think that he seemed to take having children as more of a fun thing than a responsibility (partly in a good way, partly in a bad way). That was the one thing I agreed with, but I doubt he's the only celebrity (or non-celebrity) guilty of that.<br><br><br><br>
I also was disturbed by how the journalist tried to make him look strange for using surrogate mothers. This may not be talked about, but it is a very common practice now for infertile people/couples.<br><br><br><br>
The sleeping over thing wasn't as bad as it sounded at first, he actually sleeps on the floor and the kids sleep in the bed. They are offered a guest suite, but the kids ask to sleep near him, and he only lets them with their parent's permission. Strange, yes, I might not like my kids doing that, but sketchy? not necessarily.
 

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Well, if that's the way of it, then I guess that's not really all that bad. I'm not sure I, personally, would feel comfortable allowing my children do that, (if I had children), but if other parents feel comfortable with that, it's their business.<br><br><br><br>
Thanks for clearing that up for me, Thalia.
 

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I'm bothered by the fact that his kids are made to wear masks in public. I understand that he doesn't want his kids to be seen and all. It just seems like something the kids shouldn't have to go through. I mean, the look around and no one else is wearing a mask. What message does this send to the kids? How 'normal' will they view the public or themselves for that matter always being hidden in such a way. Hmmm....
 

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okay.<br><br><br><br>
i can deal with his weirdness.<br><br><br><br>
i can even deal with his disgusting choices on how to spend his money. (um, if you really <i>love</i> children and care about their welfare, wouldn't you take some of your millions and pour them into the system that helps children in need instead of building yor own personal amusement park and ZOO????)<br><br><br><br>
i can deal with his choosing to have children via surrogate mothers, even. they never got into how much contact the mothers have with their babies.<br><br><br><br>
and i actually really enjoyed it when he told the journalist how no one questions the white man-turned-brown or the mother-choosing-to-raise-her-babies-without-a-father.<br><br><br><br>
but i COULD NOT DEAL WITH the fact that he OUT AND OUT denied having plastic surgery on his face.<br><br><br><br>
that alone showed me that he has very little grip on reality. and the fact that he could so easily talk about the abuse he suffered as a kid, but couldn't talk about his plastic surgery, tells me a lot.<br><br><br><br>
oh yeah, and that whole "shopping experience" and the weeping fans and stuff. truly, it was as if he, and most of the world, considers him to be some kind of mini-god. that was freaky. cult of personality!!!!
 

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LOL...I was pretty pissed how put off and shocked the interviewer acted after the silliest things. I actually thought it was pretty cute when Michael Jackson said, "I am Peter Pan." And the interviewer had to be all condescending and talk to him like he was crazy saying, "No, you're Michael Jackson." DUH! He was just being childlike. and you could tell Michael Jackson was pissed cause he said, "I'm Peter Pan IN MY HEART."
 

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it's airing again tonight, according to my local listings, michael.<br><br><br><br>
set your VCR if you can't watch it. it's truly fascinating in a watching-a-car-accident kind of way.
 

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Wow...I'll have to look for it. I only caught bits and pieces too. I really feel sad for him. He looks more and more like LaToya every day. My fav in the family is Janet! Man, what a cutie pie....a least she's got it together. I really like here last cd "Janet" too. Poor Michael though. I keep wondering just what were his advisors thinking? Did they suggest for or against him doing this segment? I can't possibly imagine that Michael thought any good would come out of any interview he may do. It seems like the media never has anything positive to say in regards to Michael. Good Lord, if <i>I</i> realize this (and probably the general public does too), why doesn't he??<br><br><br><br>
Or maybe he does realize this. Maybe he is smarter than we give him credit. I mean, the majority of the people that viewed this are feeling empathetic towards him now. I mean, dude has some serious public image issues to deal with, IMO, even before this interview ever ran. Has the public's opinion of him changed because of this??? Is he now perceived as more of a victim???
 

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"In light of the creepy new Michael Jackson documentary, below you'll find the bombshell court document that first raised allegations that the singer was involved in inappropriate behavior with a young boy. The September 1993 declaration was sworn by a 13-year-old California boy who sued Jackson for, among other things, sexual battery, willful misconduct, and emotional distress. The child's declaration includes a graphic account of alleged sexual encounters with Jackson at the performer's Neverland Ranch and various hotels. Four months after the Los Angeles Superior Court lawsuit was filed, the two sides announced that the matter had been settled, though terms were not disclosed. News reports have estimated that Jackson paid north of $15 million to settle the tawdry action. No criminal charges were ever filed in connection with the teenager's charges. In the new documentary, Jackson says, "I have slept in a bed with many children," but notes that, "When you say 'bed,' you're thinking sexual. It's not sexual, we're going to sleep. I tuck them in...It's very charming, it's very sweet." (4 pages)"<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjdec1.html" target="_blank">http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjdec1.html</a>
 

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That's old news....and when you have as much money as MJ has, the opportunists come out of the wood work at every and any situation that presents itself. I'm not saying whether it did or didn't happen...I wasn't there. I remember reading alot of that back when it was happening and alot of the pieces to that whole puzzle didn't fit. It certainly was a smart move for MJ to pay off earlier rather than drag himself through the mud...and the child. My personal opinion on that whole issue was that a greedy parent was behind it and that nothing went on. But again, I wasn't there so I can't say for sure.
 

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Michael Jackson showed me three things in the documentary:<br><br><br><br>
1. That he doesn't hesitate to lie (the cosmetic surgery)<br><br>
2. That he doesn't have a firm grip on reality (holding the baby off the balcony)<br><br>
3. That he is obsessed with children. (The many sleepovers)<br><br><br><br>
I don't think many children lie about being molested and given what I saw in the documentary, I am even more likely to believe this particular child.
 

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I read this on another board where they were discussing MJ's segment<br><br><br><br>
"The desire for fame, like its cousin the desire for political power, lives right next door to mental illness and often stops by for a visit".<br><br><br><br>
What a true observation.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by MsRuthieB</i><br><br><b>That's old news....and when you have as much money as MJ has, the opportunists come out of the wood work at every and any situation that presents itself. I'm not saying whether it did or didn't happen...I wasn't there. I remember reading alot of that back when it was happening and alot of the pieces to that whole puzzle didn't fit. It certainly was a smart move for MJ to pay off earlier rather than drag himself through the mud...and the child. My personal opinion on that whole issue was that a greedy parent was behind it and that nothing went on. But again, I wasn't there so I can't say for sure.</b></div>
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I would be surprised if anyone with that much money and that many children over <i>didn't</i> get at least one family making false allegations in hopes of cash. I think it is <i>very</i> possible that it happened, but I don't understand why there were not criminal charges filed. They went straight to civil court instead. Sad to say, I think that a 13 yr old is capable of lying if they think it could get them cash, and when it comes to very young children, they are highly suggestable to the point of making up all kinds of crazy stuff, research has shown this. This is all very sad though, bc all of these things make it that much harder for people who have truly been victimized.<br><br><br><br>
But I agree with those who have said that MJ seems capable of lying, out of touch, and quite capable of rationalizing things to hiself and others. I wouldn't let my kid sleep over there.
 

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Cut it however you want, a single male (or female for that matter) having that many sleepovers with that many children, in the same room, is not normal. If these were relatives or kids of close friends maybe, but uh-uh. This is messed up.
 

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Well, the DA flat out stated that he had a strong case against MJ on the molestation charges but couldn't proceed without the testimony of the minor who agreed not to talk in exchange for cash. He should know better than I . . . .<br><br><br><br>
Sleeping with your own kids is one thing, we do that sometimes with our 3 yr old grandson, though it's not a good thing and we don't encourage it or allow it on a regular basis. I just wonder what sort of parent would allow their children to go over there and sleep with Jackson? What are they THINKING? A payday in their future? Sheesh . . . .
 

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I feel sort of bad for him. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> I mean, how sane can a person be if the media calls him "Wacko" on a regular basis (Ohmigosh, that's so witty! It rhymes with "Jacko"! Ohhhh, please.)?<br><br><br><br>
My dad was watching a little bit of it, and I almost started crying, because the interviewer was so mean. My dad grumbled, "Bleeding heart Commie..." but I swear I saw a tear in his eye...
 

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I kind of feel sorry for MJ. When he was in his hotel room in Las Vegas, he said that he rides around in that little cart thing at night when he is bored. He seems so lonely. But I think that he kinda does that to himself cause of the way he acts. I think that he is living in his own world and needs to get into the real world where everyone else is. I feel really bad for his kids too. Just hink of how they are going to be like when they are teenagers!! They are not going to want to wear those creepy masks anymore!
 
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