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I just wondered what everyone thought about meat processing companies now producing soy products aimed at the "meatless" crowd? I just saw an advertisement on TV by Maple Leaf with a man eating a lasagne entree that has soy in it and his wife is hiding the fact that it's soy. Maple Leaf has always been a representation of bacon, sausage, hot dogs and cold cuts up until this point. It really irked me anyway, because much as we might think it might get people to eat soy as a replacement, they're not going to stop killing animals...just looking for more market dollars! ARGH!!!
 

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Yeah, I agree about the Catch-22 we see so often in our society. One positive thing to look at is that it will build "tolerance" for soy foods. After people eat them(knowingly or otherwise), they will understand that anti-meat doesn't mean anti-flavor. Then that, combined with all of the other benefits of veg*nism, might lead someone to go veg themselves...
 

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It's becoming more common. Are they hedging their bets? Who knows, but ConAgra and others are getting in deep.
 

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ConAgra is a big meat supplier.

The way I figure, the more successful the soy products are, the easier for them to eventually shift their focus. Furthermore, these big companies making soy products may be the only way they will stay in the mainstream, allowing more average people to eat less meat or toy with veg*nism. I understand the mixed blessing, but I'd rather not look a gift horse in the mouth.
 

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" Maple Leaf has always been a representation of bacon, sausage, hot dogs and cold cuts"

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I won't be buying any Maple Leaf products. I can't buy from a company which shows an ad of it's vice president (president, manager ...whatever) talking about how healthy the stuff they feed their chickens is while he eats some behind an office desk and two stuffed chickens look on and cluck from the leather couch.

It's a stupid ad and I have to change the channel if it's on (like so many other stupid ads ). It's a stupid "make fun of the animals cuz we don't care" ad
 

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Originally posted by Thalia

ConAgra is a big meat supplier.

The way I figure, the more successful the soy products are, the easier for them to eventually shift their focus. Furthermore, these big companies making soy products may be the only way they will stay in the mainstream, allowing more average people to eat less meat or toy with veg*nism. I understand the mixed blessing, but I'd rather not look a gift horse in the mouth.
Agreed 100%. Meantime, I'll try to support companies that don't exploit animals.
 

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ConAgra also trades heavily in packaged products, so carefully look for their logo on pre-packaged veggie items.

This is interesting, BTW:

http://www.conagrafoods.com/inside/i...co_poultry.jsp

There's a lot you could read into that.

Anyway, they're one of the world's top producers of products with animal and animal by-product ingredients. Cargill's up there, too:

http://www.cargill.com/excel/

"Excel Corporation, a wholly owned subsidiary of Cargill Inc., is the recognized leader in the beef and pork packing industry. Headquartered in Wichita, Kansas, Excel is a global meat company with over 20,000 employees worldwide. The company offers an extensive line of premium quality beef and pork products and programs to recognized retail and commercial food service markets around the world."

http://www.cargill.com/

"Cargill produces, processes and markets poultry. From turkey processing facilities in the United States, it markets turkeys and turkey parts under the Honeysuckle White® and Riverside® brands. Sunny Fresh further processed egg products are sold in the United States to consumer food manufacturers and food service and institutional customers. The company also processes meat and poultry in Honduras, Guatemala, Nicaragua and Costa Rica. It processes poultry in Thailand and markets turkeys and chickens under the Sun Valley Foods® brand in the United Kingdom and France."
 

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More on ConAgra, a disturbingly frequent recaller of tainted meat:

http://www.vegparadise.com/news21.html

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,...239827,00.html

http://www.sierraclub.org/factoryfar...ed/conagra.asp

http://www.organicconsumers.org/toxic/poop080702.cfm

And this is disturbing:

http://www.charitywire.com/00-02867.htm

Hm. Some charity. Can you even call what they sell food?

http://www.biotech-info.net/conagra_monsanto.html

http://company.monster.com/beat/

http://www.populist.com/9.97.conagra.html

http://www.cspinet.org/new/foodsafety02_14_02.html

http://www.psandman.com/articles/conagra.htm

http://www.foodcircles.missouri.edu/conagra.pdf

This company is freaking huge. They own everything:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/busin...rs_000623.html

Except there are competitors like Cargill, which is pretty much the same evil:

http://www.sierraclub.org/factoryfar...ed/cargill.asp

It's all just a handful of the usual multi-national conglomerates that the capitalist markets and business-influended government officials tend to favor.

FYI:

http://www.sierraclub.org/factoryfarms/faq.asp

Knowledge is power. Know your enemy.
 

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Originally posted by Tofuhead

What is ConAgra? What's wrong with it?
It appears you may not have yet read Eric Schlosser's excellent "Fast Food Nation." Required reading, IMHO. Check it out from the library or pick up a copy at your local bookstore as soon as possible and start reading!

These companies are the biggest obstacles to veganism in corporate America today.
 

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I still will not support the bastards. they are just out to make more money not to spread the joy of soy !
Yeah, maybe they are buying out companies like White Wave, etc so they can destroy them. I just thought of that. But it doesn't look like that so far, plus it would be dumb of them since meat is a more volitile industry profit wise. They'd be smart to hedge their bets like epski said. Yeah, I will have to think about this. I don't like to support Nestle (although they make Celestial Seasonings)
 

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Companies respond first and foremost to consumer demand. Period.

The instant their customers demand that they don't kill animals / make healthy products / make more environment-friendly products, they are going to quit meat. From the capitalist standpoint, I have no difficulties seeing all these companies, including McDonalds etc, going vegan, and offering all their products with TVP, tofu, etc when the upwards spiral is entered.

The problem is not in the concept of companies and market, but awareness among the consumers.

Vegetarianism is on the rise, and the companies respond.

I embrace this development - I think the last thing we need is a bunch of vegans bitchin' about everything, "yeah but...". Big picture, folks. (I'm not talking about anyone specific here.)

My $0.02
 

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That they are starting to make vegetarian products is all fine and dandy, but what about issues such as organic/non-organic ingredients and other environmental areas, and vegetarian food processing on machinery possibly contaminated from processing meat products?
 

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I'm in the same boat as oatmeal. They may not be the best of companies in the world, but they respond to the needs of the consumer, and the need is for veg*n food. It's a good thing that they're finally getting on the bandwagon.
 

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Why do we always demand perfection from every company? If it's not 100% vegan, organic, recycled, and untouched by omni hands, then we won't support it. We'll never get anything like that. I think we should be thankful for every step that's made in the right direction.
 

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Who demanded 100% perfection?

I think safety concerns are 100% valid, particularly when the company involved has had so many violations on the meat side of their business. That said, I'm pretty sure ConAgra didn't take over LightLife and suddenly start changing they way they operated their business. I imagine LightLife is fairly autonomous. ConAgra was doing what they have continually done to become a $27 billion a year giant: It acquired a profitable company serving a market segment it have yet to reach.

There are people here who are not comfortable supporting, say, McDonald's, even if it started selling a vegan burger, so long as they continue to sell meat. I don't subscribe to that for a number of reasons, primarily because I believe vegans need to make their presence known by forming a legitimate marketplace. Staying home and avoiding all non-100% pure vegan options won't effect world change.

However, in terms of the grocery market, if I have a choice between a product produced locally by a vegan-oriented eco- and animal-friendly co-op or some such company, and a product churned out by ConAgra, I will go for the former over the latter 100% of the time, even if there's a dollar difference in price, just like I do between organic and non-organic products. The market still sells meat products, but I avoid that section entirely, just like I'd avoid the animal products at McDonald's. I'm still making my demands clear, creating a clear market, and--as the company I'm buying from grows, sending a strong signal to the economy that the veg*n food business is indeed viable. In fact, I think the purchase of LightLife by ConAgra demonstrates this perfectly, and I look forward to the day that it is forced to sell its poultry business off to "separate" investors groups the way it did with beef and pork, when those products became too much of a liability.
 
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