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I was listening to a lot of Paul McCartney's solo material lately. As successful as he was he just didn't have close to the success that the Beatles had as a band. It's also safe to say most Beatles fans would agree that his material wasn't up to the quality of the Beatles material either. McCartney just didn't have the same success without Lennon helping him. How much of the Beatles' success should be attributed to McCartney? How much of the Beatles' success should be attributed to Lennon?
 

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Are you talking about artistic success or popular success? McCartney without Lennon I think did pretty well on his own with regards to popularity, but without Lennon, his music abilities definitely suffered. He NEEDED Lennon to make his contributions as great as they were.<br><br>
As to how much of the Beatles' success depended on either one, I would say they each contributed half and half, as I suggested above.
 

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As solo artists, I think Lennon far exceeded Paul McCartney. If he were around today, I think he would of been our messiah. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> BUT, as Beatles, they made an untouchable duo, and the bands incredible, unfathomable success could not have been achieved without both their contributions.
 

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Are you talking about artistic success or popular success?</div>
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Both. I find it odd that some of McCartney's biggest hits were collaberations with other popular singers. Take a few of them away and it makes him even less successful.
 

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It's 12% McCartney, 16,2% Lennon, and 71,8% Paulie Mc-****ing-Courtney, Paul McCartney's hyper-aggressive and dyslexic side personality who comes forth when Paul McCartney falls asleep, and is actually responsible for all the greatest Beatles songs. For example, the melodies in <i>Yesterday</i> came about when Paulie Mc-****ing-Courtney was whistling at the same time as beating Ringo with a chair and spitting on him, and Lennon wrote down the melodies in the whistling.
 

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Well I like Ringo.<br><br>
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Dylan > Harrison > Ringo > Lennon > McCartney.<br><br>
Seriously, the Beatles ain't 'it' for me. I don't get the love of their music...
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>rainforests1</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2869338"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
How much of the Beatles' success should be attributed to McCartney? How much of the Beatles' success should be attributed to Lennon?</div>
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Well that's certainly a million-dollar question....<br><br>
I think the success of the Beatles as a band could be attributed to more people/factors than Lennon and McCartney alone.<br><br>
I also think their solo work was fabulous in its own non-Beatles way.<br><i>The White Album</i> paved the way for the band member's future solo work, as the album was recorded at the tail-end of the band's existence, when a huge rift was placed between the fab four. Its one of my favorite albums by the band.
 

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The Beatles would've been even better if both of those self-involved egomaniacs had listened to George more. <img alt="" src="http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs31/f/2008/217/f/c/_georgenoid__by_Helen_Baq.gif" style="border:0px solid;"><br><br><br><br><br>
Sing along everybody! <img alt="" src="http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs24/f/2007/338/4/1/emo_music3notesani_by_SuperGrouper.gif" style="border:0px solid;"><br><br><i>All we are saying, is give George a chance!<br>
All we are saying, is give George a chance!<br>
All we are saying, is give George a chance!</i><br><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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Well I like Ringo.<br><br>
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How much of the Beatles' success should be attributed to McCartney? How much of the Beatles' success should be attributed to Lennon?</div>
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And how much of the Beatles' success should be attributed to George Martin? Geoff Emerick?
 

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Dylan > Harrison > Ringo > Lennon > McCartney.<br><br>
Seriously, the Beatles ain't 'it' for me. I don't get the love of their music...</div>
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I assume you're talking about Bob Dylan? While I can understand a person feeling the Beatles were overrated, at least I could tolerate their music. Dylan had one of the worst voices of any pop star ever, and it just ruined his music for me.
 

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If John and Paul had not collaborated, I doubt we would ever have heard of either of them.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Josh James xVx</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2869382"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Well I like Ringo.<br><br>
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The Live at the BBC albums are amazing. They even let Ringo sing a few tunes!
 

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I assume you're talking about Bob Dylan? While I can understand a person feeling the Beatles were overrated, at least I could tolerate their music. Dylan had one of the worst voices of any pop star ever, and it just ruined his music for me.</div>
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Dylan is a *pop star*? Snort.<br><br>
There are beautiful voices and pretty voices and voices with character. I would pick the latter over either of the former any day.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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If John and Paul had not collaborated, I doubt we would ever have heard of either of them.</div>
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Yes - the Beatles are a prime example of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts. (They are by no means unusual in that.)
 

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Yawn. They're both over-hyped.
 

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Yawn. They're both over-hyped.</div>
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Blasphemy! Time out for you, until you learn your lesson. :O
 

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Blasphemy! Time out for you, until you learn your lesson. :O</div>
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They're boring. I know, I should be over in the "State Your Unpopular Opinions" thread.
 

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Hey, to each his/her own.<br><br>
I hate the Stones, people don't take too kindly to that either.
 

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Hey, to each his/her own.<br><br>
I hate the Stones, people don't take too kindly to that either.</div>
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Meh, I think that people don't understand how unimportant musical tastes are. Especially young people. I mean, we're talking about music, not the death penalty.
 
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