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<span style="font-family:Tahoma;"><span style="color:#800080;"><span style="font-size:medium;">Oh for craps sake. Ive been vegan for geeze like 11-12 years? I lost track, anyway the point is I let stuff roll off my back, I dont care anymore but tonight I am pretty annoyed. I am a member of another social networking site and part of a fitness group. The woman who runs the group is 100% convinced that meat and eggs are the ONLY way to build muscle. I know they are obviously NOT. What is bothering me is that she is supposed to be my friend (known for a few years now) and she says she supports my choice but then makes 10 comments that would lead me to believe otherwise. She is absolutely uneducated in the fitness/nutrition field formerly or otherwise (she lost weight so she KNOWS everything) so she really needs to just shut her trap. If you dont support my choice I dont care just stop pretending you do!!!!!</span></span></span>
 

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Maybe tell her in a nice calm way that you would appreciate it if she would stop making unsupportive comments about your life, as they are unhelpful to the friendship.
 

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Maybe tell her in a nice calm way that you would appreciate it if she would stop making unsupportive comments about your life, as they are unhelpful to the friendship.</div>
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I did <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> and then I came here to piss and moan. I am postpartum my hormones are still all over the place. I need to vent to like minded folks.
 

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Put up pics of vegan athletes all over the site.
 

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Do your research, memorize your facts, slap her down with knowledge.</div>
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Oh yea, Im good and secure in my knowledge <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> I just wish she wouldnt lie about being supportive. I dont NEED the support I dont mind it if its real but I dont ask for it ya know?
 

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Ignore her, that's my advice. Besides, this "PROTEIN IZ MOST IMPORTANT!!!11!" BS annoys all of us. Humans only need so much of it, and almost exclusively only need certain amino acids. We build most of it ourselves, and only do so if we have enough - wait for it - extra <i>calories</i> to justify the added muscle.<br><br>
I read a 'Muscle Mag' article (hey, sometimes their workout tips are worthwhile!) where someone wrote in and asked 'How much protein is too much protein?" He went on to reveal he drank <i>600 ****ing grams</i> of protein a day <i>in supplement shakes alone.</i> He even stated 'I'm not sure if it does anything but make my pee a lovely shade of neon yelow."<br><br>
Of course the editor encouraged him to keep at it, and that was the day I stopped even leafing though their exercise articles. I rather like the idea of still having functioning kidneys ten years from now, thankyouverymuch.<br><br>
Personally I hate the "Meat = Testosterone" argument the most. Lots of meat in diet != lots of testosterone. <i>Zinc, fats,</i> and <i>chorlesterol</i> in reasonable amounts do, however, and there are tons of much healthier foods that have plenty of those and in much, much more easily digested forms. Oh, and sunlight exposure, but no one talks about that since you can't sell sunlight in powdered form at GNC. Just eat some goddamn nuts and read a book at the beach for chrissakes!<br><br>
Sorry, now <i>I'm</i> the one venting. :/
 

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HAHAHA vent away!!! I'm laid back and dont care to debate with her. I like her a lot but she has no qualifications to speak on certain subjects, particularly a vegan diet. I am not yet certified but I am studying to take my ACSM exam (just passed the practice test!! whoo!) and much of what I am learning is about macro nutrients . I would be able to at least see her point if I was cutting out one of the 3..... (fats, carbs or proteins) because that would not be healthy but the amount of protein animal or not that these people eat is VERY bad for them. Like you said, kidneys!!!
 

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...but the amount of protein animal or not that these people eat is VERY bad for them. Like you said, kidneys!!!</div>
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Now, I'm a fat guy, and though I'm actually pretty sizeable I'm not exactly 'competition material' big, so that precludes me from being too much of a dick on the subject, but there are two things bodybuilders are supposedly experts on and are typically dead wrong about:<br><br><b>1) Nutrition.</b> I think we both already covered the "PROTEEN IZ ALL U NEED" thing, but there's even more stupid piled up the deeper you go, particularly the total lack of dietary fiber (which actually started becoming 'in vogue' now, as evidenced by GNC's "muscle meal' packets which have 8g of fiber, not to mention numerous muscle bars following suit). There's arguments about Goat Whey VS Cow Whey, Beef VS Chicken, Egg VS Dairy, but hardly ever any discussion on whether any of these need to be ingested. There's a whole L-form Vs Ethyl-ester creatine/arginine/insert any one flavor-of-the-week-isolated-amino-acid debates, but only one in every thousand posts on a muscle forum even dares to mention "Eat your veggies!" This Supplement VS That Supplement, This Highly Processed Singled Out Micronutrient Mix VS That Highly Processed Singled Out Micronutrient, but never any suggestion that maybe eating the unprocessed version might just be a healthier option (or at least much cheaper).<br><br>
Seriously, if you want a laugh go find a bodybuilding forum and look at any post relating to "Weight Gain" or "Mass Building" and you'll find a lively discussion about adding powdered X, Y or Z. Need more complex carbs? <i>"Add 50 grams of Mass-O-Plex and 10g of Carb-A-Hol to your morning Powdered-Egg-And-Whey shake. It should only cost you an extra $50 a month for both!"</i> God forbid anyone, oh, I don't know, <i>eats some ****ing pasta.</i><br><br>
Oh, and they sell powdered honey. Lemme let that sink in:<br><br><i>Powdered.<br><br>
Honey.</i><br><br>
Yup. And it's about $20-30 at GNC, depending on the brand. Now I am not anti-supplementation, really, but personally I'll stick to buying soy isolate in bulk for $6/pound and just eating, you know, food. And maybe a multivitamin every couple of days.<br><br><b>2) The shape the human body.</b> Iit takes an enormous amount of isolation and unnatural movement to develop giant shoulders, chest, biceps, etc while maintaining a slim waist. Why? Because almost all movements involved in lifting (read: day-to-day <i>life</i>) spread the effort out among a great number of muscles: Delts, for instance almost never get used alone in any natural movement, and the work gets spread out across the arms and back. Same with the biceps, as there are no pulling movements that you can perform that isolate and strain the biceps. Even lifting your entire bodyweight off the ground puts the grand majority of the strain on your back - go do pullups if you don't believe me, and then see what's sore tomorrow. That known, and the only part of your body that DOES get used extensively in every single natural movement is your 'core', which without great care would be just as enormous as the rest of you.<br><br>
Now before anyone jumps down my throat, I am aware the oldschool bodybuilders actually knew about this (and a good deal more about nutrition, too) and focused on 'impressive' muscles and the overall shape of the body even if it was out of proportion to a normal body. A teeny waist made your upper body and legs look just that much more impressive by comparison (although to be honest that gives you a more feminine 'hourglass' figure but neh...). The problem is that people have long since forgotten that these were essentially artistic decisions and ultimately not how the human body would be formed without careful and deliberate sculpting. Ask any old gym rat and chances are this has never crossed their mind, and they'd almost come to blows with you if you dare open a dialogue on the matter. Granted, those are usually the ones with tiny little toothpick legs, so I dare not imply anything they think be counted with the sport as a whole, so...<br><br>
Neh.
 

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I deal with the same problem of people telling me I'll be a puny little shrimp without eggs and meat. SO... what I do is just build a ton of muscle with out eggs and meat and they shut their damn TRAPS!
 
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