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I'm giving up! I'm sick of the endless questions about "do you eat this?" or "What about that?" and all the pathetic silly little quantifications about eating habits. So, for the record, as of tonight, I am no longer a vegetarian.<br><br><br><br>
That being said, I still stand, as strictly as ever, against consuming fish, foul, or flesh, and will continue to conciously refuse all products containing any of these elements in any form.<br><br><br><br>
I am SO sick of the questions. Leave me the @#$%^ alone, already.<br><br><br><br>
I hope that this does not disclude me from engaging in discussion with those that identify with the "vegetarianism" that I respect, yet now reject.<br><br><br><br>
PHEW! Glad I got that off my chest! Thanks <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Max, just ignore them bud.. if they cannot take a few minutes to learn about your choices, then they hardly deserve the time to be considered friends and/or acquaintances.<br><br><br><br>
Just my $0.02, but I think its pretty ridiculous of people to ask "do you eat this" when if they took two seconds to consider the word "veg", it means veg... not animal. Clueless I tell ya.
 

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you should think about moving to edison, NJ. the population is above 50% indian and many indians are vegetarians. there are quite a few indian vegetarian restaurants too. if only i liked indian food :/
 

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I lurrrve Indian food! Despite the sufficating lack of culture here in Newark, DE, there is at least one great Indian restaurant.<br><br><br><br>
But here's more about my new contention with vegetarianism as an "ism"...<br><br><br><br>
If I was partially invested in Socialism because I believed that the state should provide more for its constituents than it does in Capitalism, does that mean I'm fully invested in Socialism? If I believe ONLY to this extent, but I DON'T believe that there should be an elimination of personal/private property, then I'm not fully invested in Socialism, thus I am not a Socialist.<br><br><br><br>
Likewise, by SOME estimations of "vegeterianism" I am not a "vegetarianist" and so I'm tapping-out, so to speak. I'm not a vegetarian, and I'm perfectly okay with that.<br><br><br><br>
I guess my problem is with -isms in general. They're so binding. It's sad. Now, I certainly hope, I REALLY REALLY hope, that nobody here thinks that (A) this has anything to do with anyone anyone has said on these boards; and (B) I am trying to attenuate the vindication of some who are, more than myself, devoted to a greater idea of vegetarianism than I am. Some of you (you know who you are, Michael, Kreeli, with_open_eyes, and so many others) are amazing and I respect that, but again, I'm just not willing to fight the label-battle. It's a battle not for the winning. There's just too much ignorance in the world.
 

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oh, wah. what tenents of the vegetarian philosophy, specifically, do you disagree with?<br><br><br><br>
seriously, it sounds like you're letting the bastards grind you down, dude. that they can't just GET OVER the word vegetarian and all they think it implies isn't your problem...unless you decide to make it so.
 

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This is the link to the article that was posted here before I put this link up instead <a href="http://www.veganvalues.org/when_question.htm" target="_blank">http://www.veganvalues.org/when_question.htm</a><br><br><br><br><i>When is a question?<br><br><br><br>
Stanley M. Sapon, Ph.D.<br><br>
Professor Emeritus of Psycholinguistics<br><br>
University of Rochester (NY)<br><br><br><br><br><br>
The most serious challenge that Vegans confront has nothing to do with eating, but with talking............</i><br><br><br><br>
 

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Sorry about the length of above essay, but a couple of years or so ago I was like you, and had even reached the stage of wondering if I should stay vegan. Thirty years of it I'd had. Then I stumbled across this man and the light went on again. He's written several other essays I think are worth reading too.<br><br><a href="http://www.veganvalues.org" target="_blank">www.veganvalues.org</a>
 

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Thanks for posting that spud, that was good.
 

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really really good article, thanks spud !!!!<br><br><br><br>
i feel better after reading that. (after yesterdays episode at work)<br><br>
i didn't get to read the very end of the article cause i have to go out but i will finish reading it later!<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Max- for a while after I went vegetarian, I never told anyone I was vegetarian, just that I "avoided eating meat". Which was about the size of it at the time. Of course people still asked questions, but the word "vegetarian" did not conjure up all kinds of stereotypes in their mind. Are you still eating the same, just not pressing the matter with others?
 

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I just tell people who I don't want to explain to that I am avoiding cholesterol and saturated fat. Which just happens to include meat, eggs, dairy. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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Poor guy. I used to get like that. Sometimes someone will ask me what I eat and I'll answer them with the same question. They usually say something like 'i dunno....food' and I'm like yeah, that's basically what I eat too..heheheh...
 

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i dunno, i just kinda think, hey people sometimes give me a rought time, sure, but isn't it worth it? i mean think of all the benefits of veg*nism, and all the effort we put into living humanely, i <i>think</i> we can handle a little attitude from ignorant closed minded people thinking they're funny
 

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I can only keep repeating that saying of John Robbins like a mantra: "We should label our foods but not each other." I guess it should be added " ... or ourselves."<br><br><br><br>
It wasn't clear from your post who was "questioning" you and getting on your case. Omnis? Or "the vegan police"? Or both?
 

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Whoa... thanks for the article, spud.<br><br><br><br>
Don't give into ignorant people who can't handle you having a different view than theirs. I get that all the time from people at school... and a lot of the adults. Most of my friends understand it... but not everyonee can. Just remember all the reasons you went veg*n, and how much better you felt about it, then. You don't have to label yourself. Abd don't let other people get in your way.
 

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hey max power.<br><br>
has anyone's nice comments made you think twice about your decision?<br><br>
i realise no one can change your mind but you but maybe having everyone's support has helped a little ...<br><br><br><br>
maybe i can say what the oldies say about the veggies/vegans "ohhh it's just a phase, you'll grow out of it" hehehe<br><br><br><br>
i felt horrible on friday after my little ordeal at work but today we had our first day of our new vegan cooking group and now i feel so motivated to be surrounded by so many vegans with similar aims and ideals. (not just online LOL)<br><br>
i mean, i have the support here where i live cause i live with 4 other vegans but it's nice to have something out of the house to be motivated by.<br><br><br><br>
good luck anyway.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by with_open_eyes</i><br><br><b>hey max power.<br><br>
has anyone's nice comments made you think twice about your decision?</b></div>
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You guys all rock... I'm stilling thinking over things but I will always be "still thinking things" I hope. One thing I am sure of, I am still as "vegetarian" as ever, but I have to put big giant "scare quotes" around the word for now!<br><br><br><br>
So many new veg'ers this weekend! woohoo!<br><br><br><br>
I'm also sure I need to get of the Right Coast, or at least move to New York!
 

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Your behavior is more important than what you choose to label yourself as. I know how frustrating it can be when people keep challenging your diet, but remember that you don't have to discuss it with anybody.
 

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It does get tiring, answering the same questions over and over. I don't duck the issue though; I don't want to be a closet vegetarian, for a couple of reasons. One reason is that you never know whether you're perhaps planting a seed that will grow a vegetarian some time in the future. When I became vegetarian, I had only met one vegetarian in my whole life. At the time I met him, nothing he did or said about his reasons for being vegetarian sank in. But six years later, it did click with thoughts I had been having about the ethics of eating animals. Second, the more people who have met a veg*n and who have seen first hand that we are not wild eyed lunatics, <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/shocked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":eek:"> but rational people who have made rational decisions, the easier it will be for veg*ns generally. And if it is easier and more acceptable to be veg*n, then more people may choose a veg*n lifestyle.
 
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