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<a href="http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/man-tattoos-leviticus-1822-that-forbids-homosexua" target="_blank">Man Tattoos Leviticus 18:22 That Forbids Homosexuality On His Arm, But Leviticus 19:28 Forbids Tattoos</a><br><br>
Ha! This was the best laugh I've had all day. It always helps to actually read the book you're quoting <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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the link doesnt work for me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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Saw this the other day, gave me a big laugh, though also made me a little sad. I mean I know Christians that are against homosexuality, but I've never met someone so full of hatred for gay people that they'd define themselves by it and actually get a tattoo...
 

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nvm just worked
 

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yeah because the Holiness codes were talking about committed long term relationships, and not trying to differentiate Israel from the surrounding nations by outlawing sacred prostitution and forbidding its conquering armies to sodomize the defeated soldiers.
 

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Again I will say...people are so<i>ooo</i> smart. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Rotoshave</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2820028"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
yeah because the Holiness codes were talking about committed long term relationships, and not trying to differentiate Israel from the surrounding nations by outlawing sacred prostitution and forbidding its conquering armies to sodomize the defeated soldiers.</div>
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Something tells me that the guy really wasn't thinking about <i>that</i>.
 

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yeah because the Holiness codes were talking about committed long term relationships, and not trying to differentiate Israel from the surrounding nations by outlawing sacred prostitution and forbidding its conquering armies to sodomize the defeated soldiers.</div>
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What exactly is your post getting at?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>River</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2820042"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
What exactly is your post getting at?</div>
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Apparently there are some seriously juicy deets in the Christian canonization that got left out...<br><br>
Soldiers sodomizing other soldiers!?
 

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Apparently there are some seriously juicy deets in the Christian canonization that got left out...<br><br>
Soldiers sodomizing other soldiers!?</div>
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I got linked to a site like that the other night...
 

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I got linked to a site like that the other night...</div>
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<br><i>Psst.....I was referring to The Bible, not Chat Roulette.</i> <img alt="" src="http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab4/Doctresswho/teehee.png" style="border:0px solid;"><br><br><br>
((haha, all the ads on the top are advertising 'Gay Military Singles!'))
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>River</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2820042"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
What exactly is your post getting at?</div>
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Homosexuality, in ancient times, was actually heterosexuals engaging in homosexual acts for the purposes of dishonoring, making men "passive", ie like a woman, using sexuality as a weapon against a defeated enemy. Sexuality, especially homosexuality, could not be distinguished from empire, the slave trade, and conquering armies coming into a region and dishonoring the men by making them into women, ie penetrating them in homosexual acts meant to humiliate and dishonor the opposing army. That is why in Timothy 1:10 the text mentions arsenakoi (men-bedder), the men who penetrate, malakoi (soft ones, the slaves being penetrated) and slave traders in a list of sinful people who need redemption. Slavery and homosexuality were wrapped up in the ancient world with rich people often using their young slaves to satisfy their urges. And, as today, when armies conquered a certain region they would engage in sodomizing the defeated armies in a delibrate attempt to strip the people of any last vestige of honor. And when you have no honor, you become a slave, property of your master, subject to all his desires. Within this context the people actually engaging in homosexual acts are heterosexuals using homosexual sex for the purposes of dominance, oppression, and dishonoring. Thus Paul says in Romans 1:26 that the Gentiles gave up what is natural for what is unnatural, and started sleeping with each other. If they were homosexuals, then it would not have been unnatural.<br><br>
Thus it is clear that the men penetrating other men, which is referred to in this verse, are not two men in a committed, long term relationship with each other, but a relationship of exploitation where sexuality is being used violently to subjugate, to humiliate, to oppress a defeated enemy. And since this happened to the Jews a lot (they were always being defeated; by the Egyptians, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans), you can see why they were very interested in calling such exploitative homosexual activity an abomination.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Rotoshave</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2820072"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Homosexuality, in ancient times, was actually heterosexuals engaging in homosexual acts for the purposes of dishonoring, making men "passive", ie like a woman, using sexuality as a weapon against a defeated enemy. Sexuality, especially homosexuality, could not be distinguished from empire, the slave trade, and conquering armies coming into a region and dishonoring the men by making them into women, ie penetrating them in homosexual acts meant to humiliate and dishonor the opposing army. That is why in Timothy 1:10 the text mentions arsenakoi (men-bedder), the men who penetrate, malakoi (soft ones, the slaves being penetrated) and slave traders in a list of sinful people who need redemption. Slavery and homosexuality were wrapped up in the ancient world with rich people often using their young slaves to satisfy their urges. And, as today, when armies conquered a certain region they would engage in sodomizing the defeated armies in a delibrate attempt to strip the people of any last vestige of honor. And when you have no honor, you become a slave, property of your master, subject to all his desires. Within this context the people actually engaging in homosexual acts are heterosexuals using homosexual sex for the purposes of dominance, oppression, and dishonoring. Thus Paul says in Romans 1:26 that the Gentiles gave up what is natural for what is unnatural, and started sleeping with each other. If they were homosexuals, then it would not have been unnatural.<br><br>
Thus it is clear that the men penetrating other men, which is referred to in this verse, are not two men in a committed, long term relationship with each other, but a relationship of exploitation where sexuality is being used violently to subjugate, to humiliate, to oppress a defeated enemy. And since this happened to the Jews a lot (they were always being defeated; by the Egyptians, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans), you can see why they were very interested in calling such exploitative homosexual activity an abomination.</div>
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<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3rhQc666Sg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3rhQc666Sg</a> <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br>
Seriously, I learned something today. Thanks!
 

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Homosexuality, in ancient times, was actually heterosexuals engaging in homosexual acts for the purposes of dishonoring, making men "passive", ie like a woman, using sexuality as a weapon against a defeated enemy. Sexuality, especially homosexuality, could not be distinguished from empire, the slave trade, and conquering armies coming into a region and dishonoring the men by making them into women, ie penetrating them in homosexual acts meant to humiliate and dishonor the opposing army. That is why in Timothy 1:10 the text mentions arsenakoi (men-bedder), the men who penetrate, malakoi (soft ones, the slaves being penetrated) and slave traders in a list of sinful people who need redemption. Slavery and homosexuality were wrapped up in the ancient world with rich people often using their young slaves to satisfy their urges. And, as today, when armies conquered a certain region they would engage in sodomizing the defeated armies in a delibrate attempt to strip the people of any last vestige of honor. And when you have no honor, you become a slave, property of your master, subject to all his desires. Within this context the people actually engaging in homosexual acts are heterosexuals using homosexual sex for the purposes of dominance, oppression, and dishonoring. Thus Paul says in Romans 1:26 that the Gentiles gave up what is natural for what is unnatural, and started sleeping with each other. If they were homosexuals, then it would not have been unnatural.<br><br>
Thus it is clear that the men penetrating other men, which is referred to in this verse, are not two men in a committed, long term relationship with each other, but a relationship of exploitation where sexuality is being used violently to subjugate, to humiliate, to oppress a defeated enemy. And since this happened to the Jews a lot (they were always being defeated; by the Egyptians, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans), you can see why they were very interested in calling such exploitative homosexual activity an abomination.</div>
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LMAO! I love the comment "Well that's going to be awkward when he finally comes out of the closet and has to explain it to his boyfriend".
 

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Homosexuality, in ancient times, was actually heterosexuals engaging in homosexual acts for the purposes of dishonoring, making men "passive", ie like a woman, using sexuality as a weapon against a defeated enemy. Sexuality, especially homosexuality, could not be distinguished from empire, the slave trade, and conquering armies coming into a region and dishonoring the men by making them into women, ie penetrating them in homosexual acts meant to humiliate and dishonor the opposing army. That is why in Timothy 1:10 the text mentions arsenakoi (men-bedder), the men who penetrate, malakoi (soft ones, the slaves being penetrated) and slave traders in a list of sinful people who need redemption. Slavery and homosexuality were wrapped up in the ancient world with rich people often using their young slaves to satisfy their urges. And, as today, when armies conquered a certain region they would engage in sodomizing the defeated armies in a delibrate attempt to strip the people of any last vestige of honor. And when you have no honor, you become a slave, property of your master, subject to all his desires. Within this context the people actually engaging in homosexual acts are heterosexuals using homosexual sex for the purposes of dominance, oppression, and dishonoring. Thus Paul says in Romans 1:26 that the Gentiles gave up what is natural for what is unnatural, and started sleeping with each other. If they were homosexuals, then it would not have been unnatural.<br><br>
Thus it is clear that the men penetrating other men, which is referred to in this verse, are not two men in a committed, long term relationship with each other, but a relationship of exploitation where sexuality is being used violently to subjugate, to humiliate, to oppress a defeated enemy. And since this happened to the Jews a lot (they were always being defeated; by the Egyptians, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans), you can see why they were very interested in calling such exploitative homosexual activity an abomination.</div>
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I didn't know that, but it absolutely makes sense. Thanks.
 

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LMAO! I love the comment "Well that's going to be awkward when he finally comes out of the closet and has to explain it to his boyfriend".</div>
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I think a lot of gay men would understand, if not have been through, a hostile pre-acknowledging-the-closet period. If they're really close, it would be not a big problem.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Rotoshave</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2820072"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Homosexuality, in ancient times, was actually heterosexuals engaging in homosexual acts for the purposes of dishonoring, making men "passive", ie like a woman, using sexuality as a weapon against a defeated enemy. Sexuality, especially homosexuality, could not be distinguished from empire, the slave trade, and conquering armies coming into a region and dishonoring the men by making them into women, ie penetrating them in homosexual acts meant to humiliate and dishonor the opposing army. That is why in Timothy 1:10 the text mentions arsenakoi (men-bedder), the men who penetrate, malakoi (soft ones, the slaves being penetrated) and slave traders in a list of sinful people who need redemption. Slavery and homosexuality were wrapped up in the ancient world with rich people often using their young slaves to satisfy their urges. And, as today, when armies conquered a certain region they would engage in sodomizing the defeated armies in a delibrate attempt to strip the people of any last vestige of honor. And when you have no honor, you become a slave, property of your master, subject to all his desires. Within this context the people actually engaging in homosexual acts are heterosexuals using homosexual sex for the purposes of dominance, oppression, and dishonoring. Thus Paul says in Romans 1:26 that the Gentiles gave up what is natural for what is unnatural, and started sleeping with each other. If they were homosexuals, then it would not have been unnatural.<br><br>
Thus it is clear that the men penetrating other men, which is referred to in this verse, are not two men in a committed, long term relationship with each other, but a relationship of exploitation where sexuality is being used violently to subjugate, to humiliate, to oppress a defeated enemy. And since this happened to the Jews a lot (they were always being defeated; by the Egyptians, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans), you can see why they were very interested in calling such exploitative homosexual activity an abomination.</div>
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I've read this same opinion many times by various Jewish scholars/intellectuals.<br><br>
This guy is a friggin' moron. But at least he has branded himself as such.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Kappa</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2820010"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Saw this the other day, gave me a big laugh, though also made me a little sad. I mean I know Christians that are against homosexuality, but I've never met someone so full of hatred for gay people that they'd define themselves by it and actually get a tattoo...</div>
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It seems so unchristian to me to define yourself by hate instead of love...
 
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