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does anyone here do this?
 

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I highly doubt it. Carbs are good for you.
 

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unless you are a pre-diabetic and trying to avoid becoming a diabetic and needing insulin.
 

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unless you are a pre-diabetic and trying to avoid becoming a diabetic and needing insulin.
If this is your problem you need to cut the fat down to less than 10% of your total calorie intake, since dietary fat blocks your insulin receptors.
 

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I do sometimes. I just mentioned in another post that I typically consume between 40% to 70% fat calories depending on whether I am trying to cut or gain. Contrary to what most might assume, I lean towards 70% fat when I am trying to cut for the simple reason that when I switch to a high fat diet, excess body fat melts away like magic even if I'm in the range of 3,000 calories per day. Unfortunately, so does muscle regardless of how much protein I am consuming, which is one of many reasons why I don't tend to see a ketogenic diet as something I'd want to maintain permanently.

Moderate fat, moderate overall carb, adequate protein, and extremely low sugar/refined carb is what I stick with most of the time. Extremely low carb is something I use more as a tool on occasion.

I realize the whole low carb thing is not a popular concept among vegetarians, especially when it involves high fat since the reduction of dietary fat is typically seen as one of the advantages of giving up meat. The science on either side of the debate is fairly inconclusive, but from what I have read and seen a restricted carbohydrate diet seems to be the most effective diet purely for cutting body fat quickly. A word of caution, however. I would not suggest making up the reduced carb calories by loading up on protein. I've seen both Atkins devotees and bodybuilders run into serious problems by overloading on protein for long periods of time as if it were some kind of magic pill. If you're going to go low carb, replace it with fat. Whether your primary source of energy is carbs or fat, I would suggest protein as something to eat adequate and only adequate amounts of.
 

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Carbohydrates are #3 in this diabetes FAQ from PCRM: http://www.pcrm.org/health/diabetes/faq.html

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3. Are carbohydrates bad for you?
Some people imagine that pasta, bread, potatoes, and rice are fattening, but the opposite is actually true. Carbohydrate-rich foods are helpful for permanent weight control because they contain less than half the calories of fat, which means that replacing fatty foods with complex carbohydrates automatically cuts calories.
It's important to remember to eat healthful carbohydrates, such as whole grains, pasta, brown rice, and sweet potatoes. Processed carbohydrates, such as white bread and white rice, are not as healthful a choice because they have lost much of their fiber and other nutrients and tend to have a higher glycemic index.
Hope that helps, I'd post more links but need to get to bed soon.
 

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Considering fruits and vegetables have carbs and are the best sources of vitamins and minerals, along with protein and good fats, uhm, NO! I do *NOT* do low carb. (no carb would be impossible unless you only ate meat).
 

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i just bought and am almost finished reading 'The Vegetarian Low-Carb Diet' it says to go high protein moderate fat and low carb. this book is so great at explaining everything and makes this new way of living so easy. according to the author, many people think you have to go low fat too, but when you cut your carbs your body starts using proteins and fats for energy, so you actually need those. the good kind. SO SO SO excited about this!
 

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does anyone here do this?
Not me. The body needs carbohydrates. They're the first thing the body uses to produce energy. When they run out, the body starts using fat (which it's actually there for, so fat is needed as well), and when that's gone, it starts to use protein from muscles to produce energy and this is very bad.

If your body is low on fat, then you need carbohydrates, period.
 

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A diet very low in starches and sugars induces several adaptive responses. Low blood glucose causes the pancreas to produce glucagon,[64] which stimulates the liver to convert stored glycogen into glucose and release it into the blood. When liver glycogen stores are exhausted, the body starts utilizing fatty acids instead of glucose. The brain cannot use fatty acids for energy, and instead uses ketones produced from fatty acids by the liver. By using fatty acids and ketones as energy sources, supplemented by conversion of proteins to glucose (gluconeogenesis), the body can maintain normal levels of blood glucose without dietary carbohydrates.
 

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And the reason the body uses glucose first is to prevent your blood glucose level from getting too high (hyperglycemia), which would be toxic. When you consume carbohydrates, your body has no choice but to deal with them immediately. It does so by either using them for energy or storing them as fat. It has nothing to do with preference, so to speak.

If you have too much, it absolutely must be removed from the blood one way or another. If you have too little, your body moves on to something else and you get really, really hungry :p Neither is a superior source of energy, it's just a balancing act.

This balancing act, by the way, is one of the problems with things like MSG, which trigger insulin without adding glucose to the blood. The insulin causes you to use or store glucose, but since you didn't have excessive glucose to begin with you end up in a deficit rather than balancing. This is what leads to the hungry an hour after eating Chinese take-out effect.
 

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i have a great doctor, and i know what glucose does to the body. ive done plenty of research. really, all i was looking for here was some support and advice.
 

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Jenner, it's possible to be a low carb veg*n. Easier as a vegetarian than a vegan, really. If you want advice and support, give more details please.
 

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I'm trying to figure this out myself right now. My gastroenterologist wants me to lower my carbs for a few weeks to see if it helps my bloating (the theory being bacterial overgrowth feeding off of carbohydrates). Haven't quite figured out a way to do this in a way that is also compatible with the stomach problems I'm wrestling with. I'd be curious to see if anyone has actual advice.
 

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unless you are a pre-diabetic and trying to avoid becoming a diabetic and needing insulin.
are you overweight? could that be the problem, and not the evil carb?

as far as meds, people toss them when they get on track with a properly designed diet built on complex carbs. i'm approaching 40 lbs weight loss eating this way. i stopped taking my bp med a couple of months ago, and i feel great.
 

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I LOVE carbs!!
Eat 'em all the time! Fruits, mostly... sooo good for you. So much energy. Healthy, good, ol' fashioned carbs.
Oh, and I also love fats! From nuts and seeds and oils and avocados! How can you not love them???
 

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I'm pre-diabetic and I find myself really struggling to find a balance for myself as a vegan. It's not so much that I'm not eating a balanced diet, because I've been doing very well with that... but I'm not sure how many carbs/fats I should be consuming in a day to keep my blood glucose levels from spiking. As I can see, the low-carb-vs-low-fat debate is alive and well here... any other diabetics or pre-diabetics have advice?
 

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I'm trying to figure this out myself right now. My gastroenterologist wants me to lower my carbs for a few weeks to see if it helps my bloating (the theory being bacterial overgrowth feeding off of carbohydrates). Haven't quite figured out a way to do this in a way that is also compatible with the stomach problems I'm wrestling with. I'd be curious to see if anyone has actual advice.
Would that be a specialist MD or a naturopath?
 

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Jenner, I don't know anything about that book, but I hope it's not a false information book. I'm going to give you a link I'd like you to read through that's on the new T. colin Campbell's Foundation site, about this very subject of prediabetes. Please take some time to read through it.

http://tcolincampbell.ning.com/forum...-syndrome-with you may want to join the site so you can join in the discussion. there's a Dr and nutritionist giving a lot of debate/advice in there.
 
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