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Hardly. It seems noobody except those who are medically trained, have low cholesterol themselves, or know somebody who has, knows that the risks of low cholesterol are just as bad as those of having too high cholesterol. vegetarians, and vegans in particular are at risk of having too low cholesterol as I have discovered being a vegetarian for over a year now.

It seriously screwed with my head, and I had no idea what was causing me to have such negative and repetitive thoughts. now that I discover from the doctor I have low cholesterol and that is could be associated with my psychological problems, a quick search on the internet tells me it has been linked to anxiety, depression, suicide & carries twice the risk of suffering from a hemorrhagic stroke. So saturated fats are essential in moderation! So anyone who might not be getting enough cholesterol in your diet please get it checked out! it took me frigging 7 months of confusion and essential agony to discover this could be the problem.
 

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditio...esterol1.shtmlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditio...esterol1.shtml

HDL (high density lipoprotein)

A small amount of cholesterol is transported as HDL, which is mostly made up of protein and a small amount of fat.

HDL actually helps prevent cholesterol deposits building up in the arteries. Having low levels of HDL (compared with LDL) in the blood is associated with an increased risk of CVD. So HDL is sometimes referred to as "good cholesterol". Women tend to have a higher levels of HDL cholesterol than men.

"If the total cholesterol (TC) level is too high, this is one risk factor for health problems. However, it's important to consider the relative amounts of HDL and LDL. This is often referred to as the TC:HDL ratio. A high level of HDL and a low level of LDL (so a low TC:HDL ratio) is desirable."http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/html/cholesterol.html

It seems that a certain amount of the right cholesterol is vital to run our bodies - HDL. It is the LDL cholesterol that is bad!!!!

Hope that helps you.

pirate x
 

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Hardly. It seems noobody except those who are medically trained, have low cholesterol themselves, or know somebody who has, knows that the risks of low cholesterol are just as bad as those of having too high cholesterol. vegetarians, and vegans in particular are at risk of having too low cholesterol as I have discovered being a vegetarian for over a year now.

It seriously screwed with my head, and I had no idea what was causing me to have such negative and repetitive thoughts. now that I discover from the doctor I have low cholesterol and that is could be associated with my psychological problems, a quick search on the internet tells me it has been linked to anxiety, depression, suicide & carries twice the risk of suffering from a hemorrhagic stroke. So saturated fats are essential in moderation! So anyone who might not be getting enough cholesterol in your diet please get it checked out! it took me frigging 7 months of confusion and essential agony to discover this could be the problem.
Hemorhagic stroke does not occur in populations that eat a low sodium diet. Excess salt is bad for everyone, but carries an additional risk for vegetarians and vegans who have arteries that have not been thickened by the cholesterol buildup that causes heart disease. The solution is not to eat more cholesterol, rather the solution is to get rid of the excess salt.

My husband is a doctor and he said to assure you that low cholesterol is not the problem, and that your doctor is a quack if this is what he told you. When my husband did his medical residency, he was trained by one of the nations top medical expers in the country in the field of traumatic brain injury, and that doctor had a total cholesterol of 89, and did not suffer from anxiety, or any other medical problem. He also jogged 5 miles every morning.

When my husband did his cardiology rotation, he mentioned that his total cholesterol was 108, and the cardiologist told him that he would never die of a heart attack or stroke.
 

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditio...esterol1.shtmlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditio...esterol1.shtml

HDL (high density lipoprotein)

A small amount of cholesterol is transported as HDL, which is mostly made up of protein and a small amount of fat.

HDL actually helps prevent cholesterol deposits building up in the arteries. Having low levels of HDL (compared with LDL) in the blood is associated with an increased risk of CVD. So HDL is sometimes referred to as "good cholesterol". Women tend to have a higher levels of HDL cholesterol than men.

"If the total cholesterol (TC) level is too high, this is one risk factor for health problems. However, it's important to consider the relative amounts of HDL and LDL. This is often referred to as the TC:HDL ratio. A high level of HDL and a low level of LDL (so a low TC:HDL ratio) is desirable."http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/html/cholesterol.html

It seems that a certain amount of the right cholesterol is vital to run our bodies - HDL. It is the LDL cholesterol that is bad!!!!

Hope that helps you.

pirate x
Hi Piratemoon,

In the big Framingham Heart Study, there wasn't a single case of heart disease found among those who had a total cholesterol under 150, and an LDL under 100, regardless of what the HDL levels were. Once you get your total cholesterol under 150 and your LDL or bad cholesterol under 100, the level of HDL or good cholesterol no longer has the same importance. An analogy I once heard is that the HDL is sort of like a snow shovel, and the LDL is sort of like snow. If it doesn't snow hard enough for the snow to stick to your driveway, you probably won't be needing the shovel to clear it away!
 

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Hemorhagic stroke does not occur in populations that eat a low sodium diet. Excess salt is bad for everyone, but carries an additional risk for vegetarians and vegans who have arteries that have not been thickened by the cholesterol buildup that causes heart disease. The solution is not to eat more cholesterol, rather the solution is to get rid of the excess salt.

My husband is a doctor and he said to assure you that low cholesterol is not the problem, and that your doctor is a quack if this is what he told you. When my husband did his medical residency, he was trained by one of the nations top medical expers in the country in the field of traumatic brain injury, and that doctor had a total cholesterol of 89, and did not suffer from anxiety, or any other medical problem. He also jogged 5 miles every morning.

When my husband did his cardiology rotation, he mentioned that his total cholesterol was 108, and the cardiologist told him that he would never die of a heart attack or stroke.
Just because he didn't suffer from anxiety, does not mean others do not. I have never had a problem like that before I went vegetarian. then it seems all too coincidental to then discover my cholesterol is too low and many doctors say it can be linked to anxiety/depression/suicidal thoughts.

Its not just my doctor, there are many doctors who say this, medical websites up the wazoo saying exactly the same things on each one. so its not just my doctor making it up.

Balance is key, too low, or too high of anything is bad.
 

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I have crazy high cholesterol and I eat a mostly vegan diet. You can have some of my cholesterol if you want. Docs don't know what to do with me since they can't tell me to change my diet, and I already exercise. They just want to medicate me up and I'm against it.
 

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I would like to reccommend a book that might be helpful to Rabid Child, to Pirate Moon's dad, and to Lily. It is called 'Cholesterol Protection for Life', by Dr. Joel Fuhrman, and it is available through his website in either paperback or e-book format: https://www.drfuhrman.com/shop/books.aspx

Pirate Moon, I figure that since you are in Scotland that it would be most efficient and cost effective to get the e-book version and download it (although it is only available for PC's, and not for Macs).

Rabid Child, I'm not sure how long you have been 'mostly vegan', or what exactly your diet looks like, however, I do tend to think that dietary changes could still be helpful, and I would be really curious to know if the dietary recommendations in 'Cholesterol Protection for Life' would work in your case. In the case of those who become strict vegans, and who are in the process of losing weight, I know that sometimes they actually have to wait until they have finished losing weight, and the weight stabilizes before they begin to see a drop in cholesterol. Have you been in the process of losing weight? In my own case, the last thing to go before I went vegan was the dairy products, and I used to eat lots of cheese, which was keeping my cholesterol up too high. As soon as I cut out the dairy my cholesterol dropped dramatically. Even for someone who is a strict vegan, and takes in no dietary cholesterol, there are some foods that have a reputation for ramping up the body's production of cholesterol, such as hydrogenated fats. I'm not absolutely positive, but I think that even regular vegetable oils can also cause the body to produce more cholesterol as opposed to whole nuts and seeds which wouldn't have an adverse effect.

Lily, the book I mentioned also addresses the issue of Cholesterol that is very low. It mentions that there are a number of serious health problems that will cause the cholesterol to drop very low. For example, cancer can cause a drop in cholesterol, and eating more saturated fat to try to raise the cholesterol back up would certainly not make the cancer go away.

I guess I probably didn't make my point too clearly in my last post. You are right that one person having low cholesterol with no problem doesn't prove anything. Basically, I thought you were trying to say that having a cholesterol that was too low was something that only physicians and people having the problem were commonly aware of. So, I was basically trying to say that this is not something that is commonly recognized by physicians to be a health concern. My husband did not learn in medical school that this was a health concern, the cardiologist he studied under did not consider this a health concern, and the very prominent and intelligent brain injury specialist he studied with not only did not consider this a concern in his patients, but had unusually low cholesterol himself that he was not concerned about. Furthermore, it should be noted that when you take a cholesterol test, there isn't even a range under which cholesterol is ever considered to be too low. In terms of protection from heart disease, the lower the cholesterol, the better. The only caveat is that there are certain diseases that will cause the cholesterol to drop artificially low, so that a cholesterol screening will know longer be useful in assessing risk of heart disease. Here is a link to WebMD's information on Cholesterol Testing: http://www.webmd.com/hw/cholesterol_...14.asp#tp17437

All of the health concerns listed with concern to the cholesterol screening relate to cholesterol that is too high.

Lily, although I am sorry to hear about the health issues you are experiencing, I sincerely do not believe it should be concluded that vegans are running a health risk just by being vegan, and that they need to add saturated fat to their diet to boost their cholesterol levels. Basically, you showed up at a vegetarian and vegan website, and used your very first post to announce to the vegans that they need to stop being vegan and eat some animal products! Did you know that this was a site intended for people who are vegetarians, or are interested in become vegetarian? Why did you wait until the point you decided to stop being vegetarian to come here, and to try to lead others who are either strict vegetarians, or leaning that way away from that course? Are you trying to save us all? This is a website that promotes a vegetarian lifestyle.

BTW, for those in the U.S. you can get the paperback through Amazon if you want, which would probably be cheaper, although I don't think you can get the e-book version through them. The book also was supposed to be available through Amazon U.K., but apparently Amazon messed up, and the problem hasn't been straightened out yet.
 

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Lily........could you post what your actual numbers are?

Claudia, I love your analogy about the snow and snow shovel......great, I am going to use this with my patients, it always helps to have easy ways to explain , a lot of my patients have a difficult time understanding the differences and meaning of the HDL and LDL numbers.
 

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Rabid Child, I'm not sure how long you have been 'mostly vegan', or what exactly your diet looks like,
I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for over 12 yrs, stopped eating all but scant quantities of dairy/eggs for over 3 yrs now. I've had high cholesterol since before even puberty when I WAS a meat eater. My body is just


I know my biggest problem with my diet is that I don't eat enough because I have chronic nausea and no one knows why. I eat when I can, and don't when I can't. However, I do eat more oatmeal than God intended...
 
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