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Are there any letters out there requesting Boca, Morningstar, and the rest to USE EGG REPLACER OR ANOTHER BINDER in their fake meat patties?! I cannot think of any good reason to avoid making them full vegan. I do often have trouble finding the vegan patties (I'm not in a big city or suburb). If not, perhaps I'll draft one and post it.
 

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Well, I guess enough time has passed and there have been enough visits, so I wrote one. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
Boca Foods Company<br><br>
Corporate Headquarters<br><br>
Customer Relations<br><br>
910 Mayer Avenue<br><br>
Madison, WI 53704<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Dear Customer Relations Department,<br><br><br><br>
I am a vegan and enjoy your vegan patties; unfortunately however, the grocery and natural food stores in my area are usually sold out of them, even though they are rarely sold out of the non-vegan patties (with egg whites). Although this may just be a matter of getting the local food stores to stock up better on vegan patties, I was wondering why Boca does not use an egg replacer product or another non-dairy binder, instead of egg whites, on ALL of its vegetarian patties, thus making them vegan. I think Boca and your customers would benefit for the following reasons: 1) the vegan patties seem to be more popular (at least where I live), 2) each unit in the stores freezer would have a wider potential customer base (most, or at least many vegans avoid patties with egg whites), 3) there is no taste difference (in my opinion, from pre-vegan days) 4) there is no cost or price difference, or if there is, it is not significant enough to affect demand, especially with the growing vegan market.<br><br><br><br>
I would appreciate your response to this letter. I would like it even more if your response specifically addressed the issues raised. I would the most pleased if you decided that making all patties vegan was a win-win situation for everyone and implemented it soon! Thank you for your consideration.<br><br><br><br>
Sincerely,
 

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I just wrote this email to Veat:<br><br><br><br>
To me, and everyone that I know, 100% Vegetarian means that the product does not contain meat, fish, eggs, or DAIRY products. I've noticed that your website advertises Veat as 100% Vegetarian, which is false. You have a wonderful product, and I believe that you would gain much more success if you eliminated one ingredient, whey protein. How important is this ingredient to your recipe? Vegan diets are becoming more and more popular by the minute. Do you really want to miss out on their purchases, since they are a significant part of your target customers? As a vegan, I have discontinued buying all of your products, which had been a staple in my diet as a vegetarian. I would gladly buy your products again if you made this small change. I think your company has a great message and image, but this ingredient is tainting it significantly. Please write back to me and let me know where you stand on this issue. Thank you for your time.<br><br><br><br>
\t-Eva<br><br><a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>
 

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I've come to notice that 100% vegetarian means exactlly what it means. That it is vegetarian and not vegan. There is a big difference and I think that the labeling, and since most vegetarians vegans read those labels hard core they do what they need to do. Vegetarian to me is someone who still eats cheese etc. Thats where the line is split between Vegan and vegetarian.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Wiccanveg</i><br><br><b>Well I wouldn't complain to much to Boca since they have the Vegan originals available.</b></div>
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The letter is not a complaint, but rather a suggestion. There is a difference, a complaint is negative, a suggestion is positive. Also, as stated in the letter, the problem for me is that the vegan patties are NOT available. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Please post the reply letter when you receive one. I love veggie burgers, however, hardly any of the ones I find at my local health food store are vegan. It's extremely frustrating. And it's never an ingredient that seems necessary in the final product. Plus, it gets very tiring having to read labels that consistently say vegetarian, but have some kind of animal byproduct in them. Why not make a line of completely vegan food?? I'm sure vegetarians would be happy w/ it, b/c probably one of the main reasons they aren't vegan is b/c there isn't a lot on the market that is vegan. It's just easier to buy vegetarian products. And if there is a line completely devoted to vegan food that I'm unaware of--my apologies. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by vegansurfer</i><br><br><b>mountainvegan-did you just send that letter to Boca?</b></div>
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Yes, I snail-mailed it yesterday. I will post the reply letter when I receive it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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Since they already have a vegan patty, you are basically just asking them to discontinue one of their products. Not likely they will do that unless it is not selling well. Probably more productive to let your local store know every time you go in and the vegan ones are sold out.
 

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I should send a letter like that to morningstar farms...I love their veggie burgers (the ones with big chunks of veggies in them), but they have egg whites <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Seusomon</i><br><br><b>Since they already have a vegan patty, you are basically just asking them to discontinue one of their products.</b></div>
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Not really. For example, they have the "All American Flame Broiled Burger" patty (or some "marketing name" like that) which has egg whites. I'm not asking them to discontinue that product, just to use egg replacer instead of egg whites. They can come up with all kinds of new fancy product ideas, like the "Salsa Bean Mexican Burger", the "Mushroom Swiss Burger", the "Smoked Cheddar Burger" and on and on. Just use egg replacer, not egg whites in all of them. It seems to be a win-win for everyone, especially the severely abused hens that are suffering under the tremendous pressure of economic demand for low-cost eggs.<br><br><br><br>
Someday, hopefully, the time will come when people realize that are better ways, requiring hardly any sacrifice at all, than the environmentally unsustainable and animal-abusing meat and dairy lifestyle that 99% of the industrialized world has adopted as merely a bad habit.<br><br><br><br>
I will probably write a kind letter back to Boca if I don't like their answer. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Cissy</i><br><br><b>I should send a letter like that to morningstar farms...I love their veggie burgers (the ones with big chunks of veggies in them), but they have egg whites <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("></b></div>
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If you get their address, I'd love to have it! I tried their website, which directed me to Dean Foods, the dairy monstrosity where I could not find anything on Morningstar, a contact address, or anything useful. They had some stockholder info - maybe I should buy some stock, go to the Dean Annual Meeting, and throw a big hissy fit! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/moonpie.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":moonpie:"> LOL <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br><br><br>
P.S. - I don't currently have a Moringstar product to see if the contact info is on the box. I will look next time I'm in a store. Meanwhile, post it if you have it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Thanks for explaining - I didn't realize they had all those different kinds. I checked out their website, and it looks like all their varieties except the vegan one also include cheese. It doesn't seem to be a major flavor ingredient for the basic vegetarian burger, but it looks like it is for the other four.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by mountainvegan</i><br><br><b>Not really. For example, they have the "All American Flame Broiled Burger" patty (or some "marketing name" like that) which has egg whites. I'm not asking them to discontinue that product, just to use egg replacer instead of egg whites. They can come up with all kinds of new fancy product ideas, like the "Salsa Bean Mexican Burger", the "Mushroom Swiss Burger", the "Smoked Cheddar Burger" and on and on. Just use egg replacer, not egg whites in all of them. It seems to be a win-win for everyone, especially the severely abused hens that are suffering under the tremendous pressure of economic demand for low-cost eggs.</b></div>
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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by mountainvegan</i><br><br><b>If you get their address, I'd love to have it! I tried their website, which directed me to Dean Foods, the dairy monstrosity where I could not find anything on Morningstar, a contact address, or anything useful. They had some stockholder info - maybe I should buy some stock, go to the Dean Annual Meeting, and throw a big hissy fit! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/moonpie.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":moonpie:"> LOL <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br><br><br>
P.S. - I don't currently have a Moringstar product to see if the contact info is on the box. I will look next time I'm in a store. Meanwhile, post it if you have it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></b></div>
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Don't have their address, sorry <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> But if I find it, I'll share.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Seusomon</i><br><br><b>Thanks for explaining - I didn't realize they had all those different kinds. I checked out their website, and it looks like all their varieties except the vegan one also include cheese. It doesn't seem to be a major flavor ingredient for the basic vegetarian burger, but it looks like it is for the other four.</b></div>
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Yeah, I should have been more clear in the letter, which is one reason I'll probably end up writing a second (or more) time(s). The cheese thing brings up another, more complex point, but it's more of a paradigm shift for the food companies, grocery stores, and consumers. That is, cattle don't have cheese in their muscles, so why do meatless burgers? If you made all meatless burgers vegan, non-vegans who want cheese can add tons of their own real cheese (like I used to) and vegans can add soy cheese. I guess it's a marketing thing..."Swiss Mushroom Burger" sounds better than "Meatless Vegan Burger", so Boca will want to add cheese no matter what. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> Maybe if they color coded the boxes - red for vegetarian, green for vegan, the gorcery store manager or clerk would be more aware of what's in stock and the consumer wouldn't have to spend so much time reading labels and ingredients only to find out, in frustration, that they're stocked out of vegan.<br><br><br><br>
Well Tom, thank you for helping me think through this one. My next letter to Boca will probably be to color-code boxes for easy pickin's, since Boca won't give up "the marketing thing" of labeling boxes to look and sound super yummy. And they're going to want to put real cheese in there to "back up" the label. Oh, well. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:">
 

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I totally miss the worthington stuff- like fri pat and swissstake, all have egg white- but I'm wondering- would egg replacer work? It never worked as a binder for me...but then what do they use to bind vegan patties?
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Tomaito</i><br><br><b>I totally miss the worthington stuff- like fri pat and swissstake, all have egg white- but I'm wondering- would egg replacer work? It never worked as a binder for me...but then what do they use to bind vegan patties?</b></div>
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I don't know how they bind the vegan patties, but like I said in the letter, I don't see any good reason to use egg whites if something else does the trick w/o significantly affecting price, taste, etc.<br><br><br><br>
Write to Worthington! If you get their address, post it. If enough of us write good letters, we can change the industry standard. Automobiles used to only come in the color black. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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<a href="http://kellogg.marketlocator.com/kelloggs/us/kelloggsfaq.nsf/morningstarfarmscontactus?openform" target="_blank">http://kellogg.marketlocator.com/kel...actus?openform</a><br><br>
Lorma Linda Morningstar Fasrms and Worthington are all owned by Kelloggs....<br><br>
You can email them and or write them snail mail <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
I will write them too because I loved their products (MF) when I was an Omni/Vegetarian. Shannon
 

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Thanks, Shannon. I'll remind them to auto-direct morningstarfarms.com to Kellogg's web site instead of Dean's. No wonder Dean's had no info.
 
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