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<div class="quote-block"><b>Food for thought: Can a vegan win?</b><br><br><br><br>
By Mark Leibovich<br><br>
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WASHINGTON Dennis Kucinich is hungry for the nation's biggest job and a plate of kidney beans.<br><br><br><br>
At the moment, the kidney beans are more realistic. He walks into his favorite Capitol Hill restaurant Taverna the Greek Islands and orders the beans. They arrive in a few minutes, along with Kucinich's usual plate of hummus with whole wheat pita bread, sliced zucchini sautéed in olive oil, a tomato and onion relish, a Greek salad without feta cheese and a pot of boiling water with lemon wedges.<br><br><br><br>
This is comfort food for the long-shot Democratic presidential candidate from Ohio. He has spent a long day of campaigning in New Hampshire followed by a flurry of votes in Congress. He is, in all likelihood, the first major party vegan to run for president. He ingests no beef, poultry, fish, dairy or other animal products.<br><br><br><br>
Exact definitions vary, but by contrast, vegetarians avoid meats but not all animal products, such as eggs.<br><br><br><br>
Kucinich also eschews processed foods, caffeine, alcohol and tobacco.<br><br><br><br>
Does he indulge any vices? "Yes," he says, "I'm a member of Congress."<br><br><br><br>
Not for long, if all goes according to Kucinich's plan. He envisions waking up in the White House on Jan. 21, 2005, and sitting down to a presidential breakfast of oat groats sprinkled with walnuts, bananas, coconut and raisins, a bowl of miso soup, whole wheat toast and a plate of fresh vegetables.<br><br><br><br>
Is red-meat America ready for a vegan president? Or, more to the point, is red-meat America ready to elect a vegan president who is Dennis Kucinich, 57, a figure whose long-shot status in the presidential race is a result of many factors besides his diet. He is little-known nationally, barely shows up in polls and his signature political experience mayor of Cleveland in the 1970s landed the city in financial ruin.<br><br><br><br>
He doesn't bring up the subject of his diet, and voters never ask him about it. But reporters do, quite a bit.<br><br><br><br>
"Journalists, probably as an occupational hazard, have the worst diets," Kucinich says. "So I think that their special interest in my diet comes from some desire they have to eat better. And whenever I'm asked about my diet, compassion requires me to sit down and talk about it."<br><br><br><br>
As the plates are cleared, Kucinich goes off-vegan and on-message: He reiterates his opposition to the war in Iraq, his commitment to universal health care and his prediction that the race for the Democratic nomination will not be settled until the convention.<br><br><br><br>
He wipes away a smudge of hummus and concludes his testimony on self, country and diet with a question:<br><br><br><br>
"Is this story running in the food section?"<br><br><br><br><i>Copyright © 2003 The Seattle Times Company</i></div>
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<div class="quote-block">Does he indulge any vices? "Yes," he says, "I'm a member of Congress."</div>
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<br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"> I love that!
 

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"major party vegan" woo hoo - let's party! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br><br><br>
*clears throat* *gets serious*<br><br><br><br>
This is good publicity for veganism, regardless of whether he wins anything. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I heard part of an interview with him on NPR yesterday. I liked almost all of what he said. Some of it was a bit in-the-clouds (not as regards my own ideals, but in my assessment of the real world). But he was certainly intelligent and well-spoken. Liked him.
 

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Yeah, I went to the NPR site and listened to the interview today. I'm all for in-the-clouds. In fact, why settle for own atmosphere, when we should be reaching for the stars?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>epski</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Yeah, I went to the NPR site and listened to the interview today. I'm all for in-the-clouds. In fact, why settle for own atmosphere, when we should be reaching for the stars?</div>
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Quite so. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> And he made the case for being a dreamer quite well, when asked about it.
 

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It influenced my vote. I was a Dean supporter until I found out about Kucinich. I liked him and everything, but didn't know if he was the real deal until I discovered he was vegan, then I knew he had to be telling the truth. (take the next bit a little tongue-in-cheek, if you will)<br><br><br><br>
He is The One. He has seen The Meatrix. He will deliver us.
 

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I like him a lot too! He'll get my primaries vote, and when he loses to Dean (my second choice) he'll get it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br><br><br>
And if Dean loses then who ever gets it will get my vote.<br><br><br><br>
And if that person loses then whoever is next, they'll get my vote. And then...<br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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It would influence my vote, certainly -- if he were nominated, that is. I don't advocate one-issue voting, of course, but it's a very powerful point in my overall assessment of him.
 

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The more and more I think about it I support Kusinich and his ideas. Universal health care, more organic food produce, bring the troops home, etc... I bet he wear Birks and washes with Dr. Bronners! But unfortunitly I found out today that he has only around 1% chance of winning. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sick.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":sick:"><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/bigcry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":cry:"><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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I'm sure that number wouldn't be so low if there weren't so many people announcing that as if it were fact. By continuing to perpetuate Kucinich's lousy chances as if they were insurmountable fact, they are attempting to perpetuate a forgone conclusion.<br><br><br><br>
I can't express how angry that makes me. Politics is always hijacked by those that are concerned with winning at all costs.
 

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I found out today that he has only around 1% chance of winning.</div>
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I would say 1% is being optimistic.
 

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I'm sure that number wouldn't be so low if there weren't so many people announcing that as if it were fact. By continuing to perpetuate Kucinich's lousy chances as if they were insurmountable fact, they are attempting to perpetuate a forgone conclusion.<br><br><br></div>
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I disagree. His chances are low because his beliefs and most of his positions are well outside of the mainstream. In the national election, you can count on each party getting their core 30% support. The fight is over the other 40% that can go either way, and most of these voters are like typical Americans - fairly moderate with slight tendencies one way or the other.
 

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I disagree. His chances are low because his beliefs and most of his positions are well outside of the mainstream. In the national election, you can count on each party getting their core 30% support. The fight is over the other 40% that can go either way, and most of these voters are like typical Americans - fairly moderate with slight tendencies one way or the other.</div>
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Sure. I didn't mean to imply he had a chance to actually become president. And, actually, looking at the statement of "1% chance of winning" as 1 in 100, that really is optimistic, so...<br><br><br><br>
What I really was venting about was something different ultimately, that of forgone conclusions, faits accompli, etc.
 

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I'm sure that number wouldn't be so low if there weren't so many people announcing that as if it were fact.</div>
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There's no overestimating the power of the media and the importance of scoring the right kind of publicity. There are certainly <i>some</i> truly informed voters out there, but most of us get the bulk of our information from whatever <i>Time</i> decides is the sexiest story of the week.<br><br><br><br>
I can't claim to be in the "truly informed" camp, sadly; I just try to read between the lines in <i>Newsweek</i>, etc.
 

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I was at a liberal cafe near my town the other day and it had red, white, and blue balloons on the door. Someone asked why they were up and a worker simply replied "Kucinich fundraiser."<br><br>
I'm begining to believe that if Kucinich became the preisdent of America, we'd eventually reach an utopian society. Think about it while in the mean time visit <a href="http://www.Kucinish.us" target="_blank">www.Kucinish.us</a><br><br><br><br>
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I'm begining to believe that if Kucinich became the preisdent of America, we'd eventually reach an utopian society.<br><br><br><br>
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Honestly, I would rather have a red hot poker rammed up my ass than live in a nation where the majority had much in common with Kuntitch.
 

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I vote for the red hot poker <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:">
 

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I vote for the red hot poker <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:"></div>
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can't we have both? i vote for kucinich for president as well as the red hot poker! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 
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