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"On Friday, July 12th, 2002 in Liberty, Missouri- Charles Benoit and a group of amused onlookers put a 7-week old kitten directly into the burning coals of a barbecue grill, and then poked at it with a stick.<br><br>
Sherry Scott, another resident of the apartment complex happened to hear the group saying Meow, meow repeatedly, so she walked by only to discover that they were cooking a kitten in the grill. Despite the group's taunting, Ms. Scott managed to disperse the group by threatening to call the police. Scott was then able to remove the kitten from the grill. She named the small kitten Lucky, but it turned out that the kitten wasnt so lucky after animal control officers examined the burns. They found out that the burns had inflicted extensive damage on her respiratory system and her ability to swallow food, and they recommended that they euthanize it.<br><br><br><br>
Charles Benoit was charged with animal abuse, punishable up to five years in prison along with a $5,000 fine. He was jailed on a $10,000 bail, which has since increased to a $25,000 bail due to his past criminal record of misdemeanor and assault charges.<br><br><br><br>
Benoit faces up to five years in prison for animal abuse and $5,000 fine.<br><br><br><br>
Tell the County Prosecutor and Judge not to let this killer out!!!! Tell the County Prosecutor that 5 years is not enough... and $5,000 won't make up for the pain suffered by that little unlucky "Lucky" ..... "<br><br><br><br>
Think this sicko deserves more time? Go to<br><br><a href="http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/563910334?ts=1058885047&sign" target="_blank">http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takea...058885047&sign</a>[partnerID]=1&sign[memberID]=<br><br>
and scroll down and sign the petition. They only have 16, 456 signatures as I'm writing this, but the goal is 50, 000. Help them out!<br><br><br><br>
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Nobody knows what this person will be like when he gets out of prison. I think we can assume that he probably won't be Barbequeing kittens any time soon. If our reason for being veg*n is to cause less suffering in the world, then I think we'd be failing our goal if we supported keeping someone in prison longer than their original sentence.
 

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That's horrible that he did that...gruesome...although like mikie, I don't agree with a longer sentence. But that's really cruel <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/mad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":mad:">
 

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Umm, you cannot "tell" the prosecutor, or even the judge, to "add more time" to a sentence. The judge can <b>only</b> impose a sentence based upon what the law currently defines as the minimum and maximum time allowed for that offense.<br><br><br><br>
As well-meaning as this petition, or site, may be... it won't make any difference whatsoever with respect to "never let this guy out of jail"... not unless the existing law allows the judge to impose such a penalty.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Robert</i><br><br><b>Umm, you cannot "tell" the prosecutor, or even the judge, to "add more time" to a sentence. The judge can only impose a sentence based upon what the law currently defines as the minimum and maximum time allowed for that offense.<br><br></b></div>
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Yeah. That makes sense, unfortunately, it didn't when I skimmed the article and only read "man barbecues kitten" and got the idea signing a petition would help (though I didn't know what I was signing). Shame on me. No more skimming.<br><br><br><br>
Although I don't understand why mikie and Cissy believe that this guy will be "okay" after he's left out of prison. Someone that decides to barbecue a fully alive kitten isn't right in the head. Many, many people continue to commit horrible crimes after they get out of jail, and often when people start with animal abuse, they not only continue animal abuse but may move on to humans. It's not at all uncommon. Seriously, they need to include counseling for people that do this kind of thing in the sentencing. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br><br><br><br>
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I agree that signing a petition won't extend the maximum sentence for a crime. However, I strongly disagree that this guy will be ok when he gets out of prison. Such an obvious disrespect for life and an actual enjoyment of the suffering of other living creatures = a danger to society.<br><br><br><br>
If by being veg*n we are attempting to alleviate the suffering of other living creatures, doesn't that extend to the animals and/or humans this guy will hurt in the future?<br><br><br><br>
Cassie--you hit the nail on the head with the counseling. I think anyone who is convicted of a violent crime, be it against animals or humans, needs counseling.
 

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OK I cried reading that and then emailed the petition to everyone I know-they should face the same penalities as if it were a "human". See that's why I get disugusted with the "human" race sometimes. I don't want to talk any more.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/mad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":mad:"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/bigcry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":cry:">
 

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I never said I thought he'd be okay after prison - I just said that I don't think they should expand the sentence - mostly because they legally CAN'T. I do think that the arse should get the maximum sentence. Sorry, I should have specified.
 

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What ****ing *******. Here's hoping he gets the maximum sentence and is sodomized daily. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/mad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":mad:">
 

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I honestly can't believe that counseling isn't integrated into the system with people convicted of crimes, especially abusive crimes, such as this one. It really doesn't make sense sometimes, people get sentenced to jail but for many it doesn't affect them and they return to their previous ways, because the problem hasn't been miraculously "corrected" in jail. It's true sometimes people have these epiphanies or whatever and realize their ways were wrong and turn their lives around, but that's just luck..putting someone in jail often doesn't do a damn thing. When I think about this I remember Andrea Yates. Come on. Can we really say she was a threat to society?! She hurt her kids due to a mental disorder--and she wasn't going to hurt anyone but her kids, and gets life in prison. That's just avoiding the problem. She probably could have been a perfectly good, functioning member in society if she had been treated for a while instead of locked up. She was obviously not in a right state of mind, and that's it...she wasn't a violent person as a rule. I mean, I don't know how she is now, but she might be just as confused and lost as she was at the end of her trial. That's gotta suck as an existence. Locked in a cell, confused, lost, and if she gets now that she shouldn't have killed her kids, lots of guilt...okay..well...I guess I just got way off topic and I'm hoping I'm not going to start an argument. I just had to kind of rant...<br><br><br><br>
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The petition also states that he should get the maximum of 5 years (at least) as opposed to being let out early for good behavior.
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<div class="quote-block">Dear Clay County Prosecutor,<br><br><br><br>
As a citizen distraught over the wrongful abuse of domestic pets and animals in our society, I strongly advocate the incarceration of Charles C. Benoit to the maximum sentence of five years- if not more- for his ruthless act of malice in murdering an innocent young kitten.<br><br><br><br>
On Friday night, July 12th, 2002 in Liberty Missouri, Charles Benoit and a group of friends attended a barbecue at a courtyard in an apartment complex. Benoit and the rest of the group found it amusing to put a 7-week old kitten directly into burning coals in a barbecue grill and to poke at it with a stick. Despite the efforts of a brave woman to save the kitten, the kitten suffered severe burns and injuries, and was unable to survive.<br><br><br><br>
Please be a protector of domestic pets and animals by bringing down the hammer on those who dare to harm and abuse these innocent and gentle creatures. Law offenders such as Charles Benoit should be given more than five years... and fined more than $5,000.<br><br><br><br>
We do not wish to see the cruelty of criminals such as Charles Benoit preying upon our own house pets for their own amusement!<br><br><br><br>
Thank you for your consideration,<br><br>
Sincerely,<br><br>
The Undersigned</div>
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So I will sign it.
 

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To think that you can do something like this and get support from the people hanging out with you is beyond me, one would like to believe they share the planet with mostly kind hearted (deep down, in instances like this at least) people that would be shocked and protective of the kitty. These people are raised to believe man is manly & that = hunt/kill/grunt/eat meat/do chicks. They're pathetic, I would be hard pressed not to "try" (out of impulse) and beat the living **** out of someone I caught doing something like this, I know how lightly the police would usually treat it and everything inside me would want to hurt them so bad. I don't really care how bad that sounds, I'm not a "love for every living thing" person, I'm a "treat those that are deserving with love and respect" type of gal, and this person was deserving of a spiked baseball bat to the face. I shouldn't come into this category, I get really emotional when I read things like this, I love cats more than almost anything on this earth and it absolutely traumatizes me to imagine these things happening. Same goes for similar acts on humans. I see no difference, both should be punished the same, and harshly!<br><br><br><br>
VCP- I think Andrea Yates (and about 15 other cases that have followed where mothers & fathers have killed their entire family or all their kids) deserves life in prison, or the death penalty. It is true that anyone who kills a human isn't in their right mind, they know the consquences and so it goes. What's the difference if you were hearing voices or if you just didn't think before you pulled the trigger out of anger? same difference to me. Everyone has the right to walk away from their family and not look back, it's never the only option to kill them. Whos to say, next the "voices" wouldn't tell her to kill everyone she can find at the mall? it doesn't matter if you were only a threat to one person or four kids, it's all bad. Demented is crazy is insane is violent, whatever the case.. do the crime, do the time. I don't care for their reasons, unless we're talking self defense. Even with life in prison being the punishment, every few months another person kills their entire family, apparently that threat isn't harsh enough to change their mind. It's likely the numbers would rise if people felt like they could kill their family and then get off on probation & therapy. As for this sicko we were originally talking about, I'm sure part of his release will involve anger management type classes, that he'll laugh off. The whole thing will just be a big annoyance to him, "stupid fines, dumb laws" he'll think. Teach a person they can eat a cow & kill a deer.. it's hard to understand why a kitten is any different.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Uh, sorry..I get way too bent out of shape over these things.
 

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They really should have counseling and rehabilitation type things in prison, if they already don't - He's probably not going to change without it. I definitely go with Cassie there - Just throwing criminals in jail won't do a damned thing. They won't just "magically" change and be a better person.
 

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So I take it you never go for an insanity plea, Feliner (talking about Andrea)? Wait, maybe I don't want to start a sub-topic in this thread...<br><br><br><br>
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They do have rehabilitation programs in prison: counseling, group therapy, etc. The success rate is probably something like 20%, which I think means 20% of those treated would feel badly if they slipped up and reoffended. I'm pretty sure anybody convicted of a violent crime is forced to attend some lengthy treatment.<br><br><br><br>
VCP, Yea..I guess this convo is too similar to the Death Penalty topic in the Compost Heap <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">. But in general, no I don't personally agree with an insanity plea/don't see how it should make much difference. It'd be one thing if she was sleeping and accidently (say pushed and knocked them into a wall too hard) killed one of her children because she thought they were a monster or something in her sleeping delusional mind.. however, people that unstable should know it and get themselves treated or institutionalized, in the mean time they shouldn't be left to their own devices. That woman killed her kids one at a time, knowing full well they were her kids and they weren't coming back <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">.
 

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I´ve read somewhere, that serial killers started with cruelty against animals, when they were young.<br><br>
Having such an example set, as in the current case, it calls for an example sentence. Will 5 years be the maximum Charles Benoit could be hold in custody?
 

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Look I believe in a life for a life. I'm sorry I tend to value animals over humans any day. Fire the ******* good ridance to bad rubbish. That kitten wasn't asked to volunteer ot any other hoopla, it was plainly tortured in the hopes of it being killed. Sounds like premeditated murder to me. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/mad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":mad:"> I wish a long horrible exsitence for that jerk.
 

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"Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." -- Mahatma Ghandi<br><br><br><br>
I'm not even sure incarceration is necessary. It's a burden to the justice system. He (and the amused onlookers) needs court-ordered therapy, until he has been properly cleared as fit to be around animals. In fact, he should be restricted from being near animals until then, except in the supervision of a therapist. He should also be required to do a thousand hours of community service for the benefit of animals, and should be placed in a sensitivity training program that helps strip away the emotional scars that block him from feeling empathy with other living creatures. Finally, I feel that he should be responsible for paying for all of the costs associated with this sentence, including reimbursing the tax payers for the court costs.<br><br><br><br>
That is a LOT of punishment, will give him LOTS to think about, and it is highly unlikely he will ever do anything of the sort again.<br><br><br><br>
Imprisoning him can only make matters worse. Let's focus on the restorative, and not the punitive, 'cause messing up this guy's life will not undo what he did, while teaching him how to love and respect life will have a much greater likelihood of creating some positive in this situation.
 

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Epski - That's my view on the situation. Your ideas of therapy are really interesting - Community service for animals would be awesome, as well as being away from animals.
 
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