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Is the threat from North Korea genuine, or is the whole thing a ploy to get Republicans re-elected in November? We always seem to have these grave threats looming over us in the months before an election.
 

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I believe that any nation that possesses nuclear weapons or the capability to create and use them is a threat, and that includes the US.<br><br><br><br>
I also think that there does seem to be a minimal degree of election-year fearmongering. NK is a dictatorship. Its people are oppressed and are starving to death. There are numerous human rights violations, and an underground network helping people escape from NK. And yet there seems to be more emphasis on NK as a nuclear threat than NK as a threat to human rights.
 

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I'm all for the extra media coverage. it means there will be lots of funny spoofs on MadTV.<br><br><br><br>
i love that Bobby Lee!
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Ludi</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
As pointed out, Kim jong il is mostly a threat to his own people.</div>
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I know-so was Saddam. There are plenty of bad leaders in the world. We can't march in and "liberate" every country, can we?
 

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<b>North Korea is on the edge of testing its weapons</b>. How is that not a threat? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:">
 

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I remember reading somewhere they can only reach Alaska as far as the US is concerned, so it's more of a problem for the countries NK hates locally.
 

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I remember reading somewhere they can only reach Alaska as far as the US is concerned, so it's more of a problem for the countries NK hates locally.</div>
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I didn't even know they could get that far.<br><br><br><br>
I should've clarified - I meant there is a general threat to anyone that could be reached by their weapons.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>veggiejanie</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><b>North Korea is on the edge of testing its weapons</b>. How is that not a threat? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:"></div>
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My reason for posting the question is this: We were all in a tizzy three years ago over the dreaded "WMD's." Of course, they have now been proven to be false and the Bush administration knew they did not exist. I find it suspicious that this is happening just before the mid-term elections; remember all the security alerts we had just before the 2004 election. There is no question that Kim Jong-Il is a bad guy, but there are plenty of crummy leaders in the world. Is it our job to go in and take out all of them?
 

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My reason for posting the question is this: We were all in a tizzy three years ago over the dreaded "WMD's." Of course, they have now been proven to be false and the Bush administration knew they did not exist. I find it suspicious that this is happening just before the mid-term elections; remember all the security alerts we had just before the 2004 election. There is no question that Kim Jong-Il is a bad guy, but there are plenty of crummy leaders in the world. Is it our job to go in and take out all of them?</div>
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I didn't see anything in your original post about acting on the threat... I was just answering your question by saying there is an obvious threat.
 

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I didn't see anything in your original post about acting on the threat... I was just answering your question by saying there is an obvious threat.</div>
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Should we trust the Bush administration to tell us the truth, after all the WMD mess? Is it just a coincidence that this is coming up just a few months before the mid-term elections?
 

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I didn't see anything in your original post about acting on the threat... I was just answering your question by saying there is an obvious threat.</div>
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But the question is... is it obvious? And is there really a threat?<br><br><br><br>
Or is this yet another pissing contest?
 

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Should we trust the Bush administration to tell us the truth, after all the WMD mess? Is it just a coincidence that this is coming up just a few months before the mid-term elections?</div>
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But the question is... is it obvious? And is there really a threat?<br><br><br><br>
Or is this yet another pissing contest?</div>
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I don't think Bush is responsible for creating a false image of a threat. I don't think this isn't Iraq all over again... Bush isn't saying "the North Koreans are hiding dangerous weapons, and they are capable of using them on other nations" without backing it up - North Korea is doing that for him.<br><br><br><br>
Like I said, North Korea has stated itself that it's ready to test its weapons and has even expressed hate towards several countries within its weapon-range. This is no news to anyone (or shouldn't be).<br><br><br><br>
I don't see how the threat isn't obvious, but I have an open mind, so I'd like to hear others' views on that issue. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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<a href="http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/060622055545.07o4imol.html" target="_blank">http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/0....07o4imol.html</a><br><br><br><br>
Weapons? What weapons? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/juggle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":juggle:">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Scythe</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><a href="http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/060622055545.07o4imol.html" target="_blank">http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/0....07o4imol.html</a><br><br><br><br>
Weapons? What weapons? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/juggle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":juggle:"></div>
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As pointed out, Kim jong il is mostly a threat to his own people.</div>
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Thats why they need the missiles, to threaten his own people no matter where they escape and seek asylum. No need for you to worry, unless you live in a city with DPRK refugees in it.<br><br><br><br>
It's not an election year thing, it's about a 50 year long commitment the US has to the security of east asia.
 

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The whole North Korea issue is bollocks.<br><br><br><br>
Take a good long look at North Korea:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=82755" target="_blank">http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...ad.php?t=82755</a><br><br><br><br>
North Korea last tested a missle in 1998, and the test was a failure. Besides, they already have biological agents that can put into artillery and fire at South Korea if they so desire. They already have WMDs. Having some rust bucket missle that has as good a chance of making to the U.S. as falling into the ocean changes nothing in reality.<br><br><br><br>
Besides, North Korea has NOTHING to gain from lobbing a nuke somewhere just for the hell of it. America wants you to beleive that North Korea is run by a suicidal manic. I don't buy it. Manic, yes. Sucidal, no.<br><br><br><br>
North Korea has EVERYTHING to gain by ratcheting up rhetoric against the U.S. Having the U.S. as a looming enemy solidifies the regeime's grip on it's people. Also look at how poor North Korea is. They need some bargaining leverage to relax sanctions, and they have very little left to lose.<br><br><br><br>
The Bush administration has EVERYTHING to gain by ratcheting up rhetoric against North Korea.<br><br>
- keeps the perpetual war machine in motion<br><br>
- keeps money flowing down the military-industrial complex sinkhole, particularly in the ill conceived missle defence.<br><br>
- distracts people from the problems at home.<br><br>
- distracts people from the next TRUE target, which is probably Iran.
 

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Weapons? What weapons? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/juggle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":juggle:"></div>
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<div class="quote-block">A Pentagon official who confirmed the findings said that all the weapons were pre-1991 vintage munitions "in such a degraded state they couldn't be used for what they are designed for."</div>
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I don't think Bush is responsible for creating a false image of a threat. I don't think this isn't Iraq all over again... Bush isn't saying "the North Koreans are hiding dangerous weapons, and they are capable of using them on other nations" without backing it up - North Korea is doing that for him.</div>
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Did I say I was talking about Iraq? No. I was referring to the Cold War and the use of MAD as both a threat and a deterrent. Hence my comment about a pissing match.<br><br><br><br>
Current-day N. Korea and the (Cold War) USSR seem pretty similar, wouldn't you agree?
 
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