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<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204791104577107350219610874.html" target="_blank">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...219610874.html</a><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">SEOUL—North Korean leader Kim Jong Il has died, North Korean state television said Monday.<br><br>
Mr. Kim died from fatigue during a train ride on Saturday, a weeping television announcer said.<br><br>
State TV also announced that Kim Jong Eun will take over as leader.</div>
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Declining health and a stroke recently. Also speculation was he had pancreatic cancer much like the enigmatic dictator Steve Jobs.<br><br><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2011-12-18/north-korea-leader-dies/52058036/1" target="_blank">http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/s...ies/52058036/1</a><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Kim is believed to have suffered a stroke in 2008 but he had appeared relatively vigorous in photos and video from recent trips to China and Russia and in numerous trips around the country carefully documented by state media. The communist country's "Dear Leader" — reputed to have had a taste for cigars, cognac and gourmet cuisine — was believed to have had diabetes and heart disease.<br>
The news came as North Korea prepared for a hereditary succession. Kim Jong Il inherited power after his father, revered North Korean founder Kim Il Sung, died in 1994. In September 2010, Kim Jong Il unveiled his third son, the twenty-something Kim Jong Un, as his successor, putting him in high-ranking posts.<br>
Kim Jong Il had been groomed for 20 years to lead the communist nation founded by his guerrilla fighter-turned-politician father and built according to the principle of "juche," or self-reliance.<br>
Even with a successor, there had been some fear among North Korean observers of a behind-the-scenes power struggle or nuclear instability upon the elder Kim's death.</div>
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Not sure whether this is good or bad. Supposedly his son is a bit of a dunce. Also ironic that in a nation full of starving people their leader dies of excess.
 

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Not sure if this is a good or bad thing for that poor country.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>disney.jessica</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3061835"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Who is this and is he a bad guy or a good guy?</div>
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He's a dead guy.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>disney.jessica</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3061835"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Who is this and is he a bad guy or a good guy?</div>
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He was the leader behind North Korea, often thought to be one of the worst dictators of the present day.
 

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If you haven't ever read this section of his wiki it's worth reading.<br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-il#Personality" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-il#Personality</a>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>disney.jessica</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3061835"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Who is this and is he a bad guy or a good guy?</div>
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He's like the Scrooge McDuck of North Korea. He takes up all the moneys and nobody else gets any. Oh, and he launches rockets at Japan.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>das_nut</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3061858"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I can't see how this is a bad thing. Its hard for North Korea to get worse.</div>
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They could go to war with South Korea.
 

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They could go to war with South Korea.</div>
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They are at war with South Korea. Still.
 

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They are at war with South Korea. Still.</div>
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They could launch full-scale military attacks on South Korea. And they still likely have nuclear weapons.
 

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The regime in power is not dumb enough to launch a full scale attack on South Korea. They would be obliterated and would, subsequently, lose control and they know that. When they do attack, they do so to intentionally provoke a counter attack, which produces just enough dead North Korean soldiers for them to use the "tragedy" as propaganda to convince the increasingly impoverished and starving working class that South Korea is a threat and that the regime of Kim Jong Il (and now King Jong Un) is still needed. You know, the old using fear to maintain control trick.<br><br>
The problem is that Kim Jung Un, though just at nutty as his dad, is not half as smart. I'm sure he was given a "how to keep people oppressed" manual by his dad, and that will work for a while. But when something unexpected happens, he will not know how to deal with it. The regime will eventually collapse, no doubt about it. But given it's current condition compared with other countries who have been in similar conditions throughout history, unless something goes down quick as the result of an upcoming power struggle, and Kim Jong Un does indeed assume control, I'd give it another 10 to 20 years or so before North Korea is "ripe" for a revolution. Then again, sometimes unexpected things happen.
 

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I don't think any of the "mourners" that I've seen on TV are going to win an Oscar.
 
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