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I just got into an argument with my cousin (who i have been very close w/ since i was very young) about KFC. I told my aunt (her mother) who is always up for boycotting anything (from snapple to grapes). I assumed she told my cousin. Well I talked to her last night and she said she eats KFC for lunch everyday. She pays $10 a day to this company. I was appalled and told her the facts. She said she doesn't care and is still going to eat there. I called her heartless and she said "Well I feel for the animals but I like their chicken and I'm going to continue eating it." So I told her that I'm done with her. She wrote me telling me I couldn't just stop talking to her b/c we have different views, and I was a hyprocrite for buying Pepsi b/c they are the same company. The way I see it is that Pepsi isn't being boycotted KFC is but I assure you if its true I will be switching sodas soon. Her and I have always been very close and I never knew she could be this way, she always appeared to care for animals. But the main issue that I'm looking for help on is this. To cut her from my life. I've done it b4 with a fur wearing friend. Is this not fair? The way I view it is I am an animal activist. I am hardcore into it; animal rights are a huge part of my life. If my cousin doesn't care about animals then she is not the kind of person who I want to be associated with. What do u think?
 
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i totally understand how frustrated you must be feeling. i have to deal with members of my bf's family who think it's totally acceptable to mutliate their cats paws to save their furniture, and i feel sick to my stomach over it, and disagree with it 110%. i don't know if cutting people out of your life is the best way of influencing them though- it might make you come across as a bit nuts though, and give them the opportunity to roll their eyes and throw their hands in the air at your perceived dramtic behaviour, and not treat you with any respect in the future, however - when you aren't nuts, just very passionate, and prepared to put your knowledge and personal ethics before your stomach.<br><br><br><br>
cutting her out of your life, is not going to change her mind, neither is educating her, by the sounds of it- but i think she's more likely to come around in the long term, if you take the high road, act with dignity, and continue to treat her civilly, while making it clear when questioned and approached on the subject, that you disagree, and why.<br><br><br><br>
people frustrate the hell outta me for things like this- but if i cut everyone who i thought was behaving in an idiotic way out of my life, i'd be screwed over by it, way before they would!
 

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i showed her a video w/ pamela anderson and here is what she wrote to me....<br><br><br><br>
Ok, so I watched it. And I want to let you know that I value your opinion and I wish you would value mine. I am still going to eat KFC. And for me thats the end of it. by the way why would i care about what Pam Anderson says? cause i still can't figure it out.<br><br><br><br>
... I know you guys say that I still should talk 2 her but if she really doesnt care about animals...then i cant care about her.
 

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Whatever floats your boat. If cutting out people who don't agree with you is what you want to do, then do it. Just be prepared for the repercussions, and expect for others to cut you out of their lives as well.<br><br><br><br>
Being dogmatic can be a lonely, sad existence.<br><br><br><br>
Keep us posted!
 

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I think... that you were mean.<br><br><br><br>
That's what I think.<br><br><br><br>
You know the saying... You catch more something with something than with vinegar or something. Well, it's true.
 

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I think it would be awful it you cut her out of your life just for the fact she eats KFC, especially considering you have been close for so long. I guess I can't fathom why you do that. Maybe instead just don't discuss it w/her anymore, and ask that she not eat it in your presence nor tell you when she's ate it/going to eat it. I don't think just because she still chooses to eat there that it means she doesn't care about animals, she just doesn't care about them the same way you do. I think it'd be really sad to lose a good friend over chicken.
 

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And not to mention, the cost... sheesh, $10 a day. I thought $7 every 2 days for a large mediocre salad, fruit cup, and diet iced tea at the food court at work was pushing it...
 

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I don't really know what to say. To me its not just chicken, its lives that could be spared but her taste buds are more important. and she told me she buys a meal deal and a few sides and the total comes to 9 something so I rounded it to $10.
 

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That's fine and all... but you're pushing people away from considering veganism.<br><br><br><br>
You need to apologize for being mean and ask if you can still be friends.<br><br><br><br>
People don't respond well to being called heartless.
 

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absolutely not. i would never apologize for my beliefs. imo she is being heartless. the debate for me is do i want to continue being friends with someone whose morals and values differ (notice i am not saying hers are wrong) then my own. yes i know name calling is not the best approach but it was long after i pled with her and got fed up. and its not like i asked her to give up eating meat. i asked her to go somewhere else till the boycott is called off for her chicken and sides (bc any purchase of kfc meat or no is supporting them).
 

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Unfortunately, there will be a lot of people like that. So if you cut off people for those kind of reasons, you will either a) be alone, or b) have to find veg*n friends from some AR group or something.<br><br><br><br>
There's also the (sorta aforementioned) point that if you want to influence people's treatment of animals, this is impossible if you don't have contact with them.<br><br><br><br>
But I have some idea of what you're going through, many members on VB don't because veg*nism isn't a genuine moral issue for them.
 

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I think remaining as a good influence in a person's life is the most beneficial thing you can do, unless being around them is seriously stressful to you and endangering your own wellbeing.<br><br><br><br>
If all the veg*ns ditch their non-veg friends, who will remain to provide a good example to those people?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Kay9</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
absolutely not. i would never apologize for my beliefs.</div>
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I don't believe anyone said you should apologize for your beliefs. You should apologize for your actions.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">yes i know name calling is not the best approach but it was long after i pled with her and got fed up. and its not like i asked her to give up eating meat.</div>
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You seem to have this misplaced idea you have the right to demand that she do anything.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">i asked her to go somewhere else till the boycott is called off for her chicken and sides (bc any purchase of kfc meat or no is supporting them).</div>
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BTW, the boycott is bogus if Pepsi is not included. They are the same company.
 

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I think you were mean, how is being yelled at, and criticized for doing something going to convince someone to do what you want them to do? That doesnt work. Being talked to like an equal (yes she IS your equal) might help out. The fact that you could abondon your family because they eat dead bodies, and not try to help them (this is very unhealthy for her) is heartless. Spread the compassion you have for animals to humans once in a while and you will make greater strides for animal rights. Also, dont be so quick to turn down the advice people are giving you here. They took the time to read what you had to say, think about it, and respond. The least you could do is read their advice and give it the consideration it deserves.
 

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BTW, the boycott is bogus if Pepsi is not included. They are the same company.</div>
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Eh, I don't know. I can see the good in a selective boycott moreso than a fullscale boycott. Pepsi is the one company owned by Yum Brands that produces all vegan products (heh). The PETA boycott doesn't include Taco Bell, Long John Silvers, A&W, or Pizza Hut either... so it appears they're just focusing on the one Yum brand that does the most harm to animals.<br><br><br><br>
(Personally though I don't support the boycott, and might go there for lunch myself. They have vegetarian options there.)<br><br><br><br>
But I suppose your point was moreso directed at the OPs dogmatism. If you personally hate Yum brands so much, then yeah, by all means don't give them any money via Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, or Pepsi products!
 

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I don't believe anyone said you should apologize for your beliefs. You should apologize for your actions.</div>
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Tame, I totally agree with you on that one, my motto is always been I will not change my stance, but I will appologize if I went about showing it the wrong way. As the Jim Henson Workshop puppets once said "Give peas a chance."<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/broccoli.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":bobo:"> ... sorry I couldn't resist
 

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i am done defending myself. i know some of u are trying to help and i do appricate it. i have taken everything u have said into consideration. but i guess i knew in my heart b4 i posted anything what i can live with and what i cannot. i did try talking to her at length (very nice like b4 i got mean) and i will not be able to sway her. it is her right to choose what she cares about, and if animals aren't on that list i can't be friends w/ her.<br><br><br><br>
btw pepsi is owned by Pepsi Americas Inc.
 

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did try talking to her at length (very nice like b4 i got mean) and i will not be able to sway her. it is her right to choose what she cares about, and if animals aren't on that list i can't be friends w/ her.<br></div>
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Life as a dogmatic fundamentalist will be lonely, but to each their own.<br><br><br><br>
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