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Is it true?? I feel hoodwinked. Unreal. I am so annoyed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/no.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":no:">
 

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Is it true?? I feel hoodwinked. Unreal. I am so annoyed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/no.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":no:"></div>
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Heinz which is owned by Phillip Morris the cigarette people owns Boca Burgers<br><br>
etc,.....<br><br>
heres a good overview on who owns what in the organic industry <a href="http://www.themeatrix.com/getinvolved/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t123.html" target="_blank">http://www.themeatrix.com/getinvolve....php/t123.html</a><br><br><br><br>
believe me, it is not pretty...
 

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Cascadian farms and Muir Glen is now owned by General Mills. Though they try to hide it on the web sites... they don't want you to know that BIG FOOD has bought them out.<br><br><br><br>
Thanks to BIG FOOD buying all these companies, we now have push after push in congress of bills to weaken organic standards. The OCA is a watchdog group of which everyone here who cares about the quality of your foods should be a member... at least subscribe to their watch email list (they don't inundate you). [OCA = organic consumers association]
 

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Kashi, I hardly knew thee.<br><br><br><br>
As long as Whole Foods doesn't get bought out by a Philip Morris subsidiary..
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Gita</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Heinz which is owned by Phillip Morris the cigarette people owns Boca Burgers<br><br>
etc,.....<br><br>
heres a good overview on who owns what in the organic industry <a href="http://www.themeatrix.com/getinvolved/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t123.html" target="_blank">http://www.themeatrix.com/getinvolve....php/t123.html</a><br><br><br><br>
believe me, it is not pretty...</div>
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I am so glad I don't eat Boca burgers-they suck.
 

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Cascadian farms and Muir Glen is now owned by General Mills. Though they try to hide it on the web sites... they don't want you to know that BIG FOOD has bought them out.<br><br><br><br>
Thanks to BIG FOOD buying all these companies, we now have push after push in congress of bills to weaken organic standards. The OCA is a watchdog group of which everyone here who cares about the quality of your foods should be a member... at least subscribe to their watch email list (they don't inundate you). [OCA = organic consumers association]</div>
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I am soooooooo perturbed by this. I love Cascadian farms. Why does this keep happening? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/bigcry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":cry:"><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsdown.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":down:">
 

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Heinz which is owned by Phillip Morris the cigarette people owns Boca Burgers<br><br>
etc,.....<br><br>
heres a good overview on who owns what in the organic industry <a href="http://www.themeatrix.com/getinvolved/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t123.html" target="_blank">http://www.themeatrix.com/getinvolve....php/t123.html</a><br><br><br><br>
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Just to clarify. Boca is from Kraft, which is part of Altria (formerly Philip Morris). Heinz is a separate company. They are often mentioned in "who owns what" lists because of their association with Hain Foods.<br><br><br><br>
Also, it's not official yet, but it's likely that soon Kraft Foods will no longer be part of Altria Group. <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0608290208aug29,1,783828.story?track=rss" target="_blank">http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...tory?track=rss</a><br><br><br><br>
There are a lot of reasons to dislike Kraft, but it appears that there will soon be one less.
 

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Is it true?? I feel hoodwinked. Unreal. I am so annoyed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/no.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":no:"></div>
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But what have you got against Kellogg's? The Kellogg family practically started vegetarianism in America. At least they played a big part in it.<br><br>
You may not like all the sugary stuff they make, but they are vegetarian (ovo-lacto).<br><br><br><br>
ps: They also own or at least used to own Worthington foods -a maker of vegetarian canned, packaged and frozen foods and I think they also own Morningstar Farms.
 

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I know I'm in the minority, but I think it's awesome when large corporations take a vested interested in natural food companies. First of all it's a step in the right direction, but more importantly it gives the natural food company a whole lot more immediate advertising power and leverging ability. It's a good thing for everyone involved.<br><br><br><br>
The only time it has potential to be bad is when the larger parent company takes over and changes the smaller company, making it less vegan friendly or whatnot, which has happened on a few occassion. Generally though it's always good news for the natural food company and means they will be growing much faster. Look at Kashi today compared to when they were an independent company and nobody had heard of them...they're in supermarkets everywhere now thanks to Kellogg's.
 

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I know I'm in the minority, but I think it's awesome when large corporations take a vested interested in natural food companies. First of all it's a step in the right direction, but more importantly it gives the natural food company a whole lot more immediate advertising power and leverging ability. It's a good thing for everyone involved.<br><br><br><br>
The only time it has potential to be bad is when the larger parent company takes over and changes the smaller company, making it less vegan friendly or whatnot, which has happened on a few occassion. Generally though it's always good news for the natural food company and means they will be growing much faster. Look at Kashi today compared to when they were an independent company and nobody had heard of them...they're in supermarkets everywhere now thanks to Kellogg's.</div>
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My. Feelings. Exactly. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:">
 

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Why blame the large corporations? If the people who used to own these companies independently weren't looking for a big payday then they would still be independent.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:"> I don't expect anything from the uber-corporations except for them to protect their bottom line. When a supposedly committed company (Seeds of Change, Ben & Jerry's, Cascadian Farms, The Body Shop, etc. and especially Tom's of Maine) sell out to a large corporation supposedly believing that said corporate giant will follow their ideals...well, then, I'm disappointed.
 

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Except with several of these brands that have been taken over by the big companies, they start using lower quality ingredients and then decide that they need to add preservatives and other chemicals that previously weren't there and didn't need to be. We subscribe to Feingold every year. (They research any product submitted to them that's out there on the market place - at least in the US... not sure about Canada.) And time after time, I've seen a previously small company get bought by a bigger one and then here comes the update from Feingold telling us they changed the product making it no longer suitable for our children (and adults) who react to these things and that they need to removed from our foodlists.<br><br><br><br><i>(The foodlist is a thick booklet with a list of all the approved foods that are free of artificial flavors, artificial colors, 3 of the nasty preservatives. Every month, they add new foods to the list. Plus, they email us and put in the newsletter foods that need to be crossed out b/c they changed.<br><br><br><br>
They also separate out by "Stages" which foods are high and low in salicylates for those who need to avoid these - my elder son among them. Plus, they list which foods contain corn/corn syrup - even if it's hidden in the ingredient list as an ingredient of an ingredient [which companies are NOT required to list and quite often use this technique to hide all kinds of crap in our food]. They also list which foods have benzoates, calcium propriantes, nitrates... and I think one or two more classifications but the others escape me right now. Anyway, it is surprising what foods are "okay" and what are NOT. Of course, you still have to weed out the veg*n foods but we're used to doing that already.)</i><br><br><br><br>
Since my elder son is SO sensitive and allergic to so many things, this food list is a LIFE LINE to us.<br><br><br><br>
I highly recommend it to others who wish to avoid these and other kinds of "nasties" from their diet.<br><br><br><br>
[I also love their newsletter which comes out 10 times a year b/c it has articles about health and nutrition that you don't read in the regular marketplace... and are even hard to find in the nutritional arena.]<br><br><br><br>
Anyway, it's been because of this organization that I knew about both Kashi and Cascadian Farms and more.
 

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Just to clarify. Boca is from Kraft, which is part of Altria (formerly Philip Morris). Heinz is a separate company. They are often mentioned in "who owns what" lists because of their association with Hain Foods.<br><br><br><br>
Also, it's not official yet, but it's likely that soon Kraft Foods will no longer be part of Altria Group. <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0608290208aug29,1,783828.story?track=rss" target="_blank">http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...tory?track=rss</a><br><br><br><br>
There are a lot of reasons to dislike Kraft, but it appears that there will soon be one less.</div>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>IamJen</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:"> I don't expect anything from the uber-corporations except for them to protect their bottom line. When a supposedly committed company (Seeds of Change, Ben & Jerry's, Cascadian Farms, The Body Shop, etc. and especially Tom's of Maine) sell out to a large corporation supposedly believing that said corporate giant will follow their ideals...well, then, I'm disappointed.</div>
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Here is some background on several vegetarian food companies. I don't know how many people know the history of most of the well-known vegetarian food companies, but many were started by members of the Seventh Day Adventist Church because the Seventh Day Adventists discourage the eating of meat. While a person can be a Seventh Day Adventist and eat meat, they believe that the most Biblical way to eat is to consume mostly grains and vegetables. They are not vegan however so they allow eggs and dairy. Worthington Foods, which also owns the Morningstar Farms brand and has also merged with Loma Linda vegetarian foods. Kelloggs his considering buying out Worthington/ Loma Linda/ Morningstar. All of those manufacturers (including Kelloggs) were started by members of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. Worthington foods sold out to another company but then bought the company back because the company that had bought it didn't honor their religious views. Then Kellogg bought it. I know because I live very close to the Worthington Food plant and because I have studied the history of Seventh Day Adventism and these companies. While Kashi was not started by Seventh Day Adventists, it was started by those who, like the Seventh Day Adventists, believe that religion and the way we eat go hand in hand. Kashi is related to the Buddhist (correction) religion. It is a spiritual belief that tries to emphasize peace and harmony with other religions. So it is perfectly natural for these companies to wheel and deal with eath other since they all have the same goals---healthy food and religion. I have resources for this information if anyone is interested.
 

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I know I'm in the minority, but I think it's awesome when large corporations take a vested interested in natural food companies. First of all it's a step in the right direction, but more importantly it gives the natural food company a whole lot more immediate advertising power and leverging ability. It's a good thing for everyone involved.<br><br><br><br>
The only time it has potential to be bad is when the larger parent company takes over and changes the smaller company, making it less vegan friendly or whatnot, which has happened on a few occassion. Generally though it's always good news for the natural food company and means they will be growing much faster. Look at Kashi today compared to when they were an independent company and nobody had heard of them...they're in supermarkets everywhere now thanks to Kellogg's.</div>
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Hear, hear.
 

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So it is perfectly natural for these companies to wheel and deal with eath other since they all have the same goals---healthy food and religion. I have resources for this information if anyone is interested.</div>
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If this were true, then I'd agree. However, I'd wager it's been some years since Kellogg's goals were "healthy food and religion".
 

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If this were true, then I'd agree. However, I'd wager it's been some years since Kellogg's goals were "healthy food and religion".</div>
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LOL well that may be true about a conglomerate like Kellogg's but I don't think they have ever sold meat--I may be mistaken, but I don't think so. But there has been a history of association between the vegetarian food companies that had their roots in Seventh Day Adventism. Here is a quote and links to some of my sources:<br><br><br><br><span style="color:#0000FF;">Adventist Roots<br><br><br><br>
Its not surprising that a relatively small company such as Worthington would see the advantages of joining a giant corporation with international business experience, great advertising skills, and the ability to manufacture and market healthful products on a global scale. To top it off, Kelloggs of Battle Creek also had Adventist roots. So when Kelloggs offered Worthington shareholders a generous cash price, promising to continue the purity and high quality of foods appearing under the Worthington and Morningstar labels and to continue paying two cents per label for church projects, the deal was wrapped up.<br><br><br><br>
There is little doubt that Kelloggs research and development resources, its history of successful advertising, and its recognition of the place Worthington Foods products have come to play in Adventist homes will lead to more and better vegetarian products on local grocers shelves.<br><br><br><br>
Kelloggs has not forgotten the traditional source of vegetarian meats for most Adventiststhe Adventist Book Centers and numerous small health food stores. Management indicated that they have every intention of continuing the attentive, considerate service these markets received from Worthington Foods.</span><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.adventistreview.org/2000-1554/story3.html" target="_blank">http://www.adventistreview.org/2000-1554/story3.html</a><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.thesoydailyclub.com/SFC/adventist10.asp" target="_blank">http://www.thesoydailyclub.com/SFC/adventist10.asp</a>
 
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