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Vegans I have encountered through the past 4 years or so I have noticed that 99.9% of them are drug free. No drinking, smoking..nothing. However I did notice that there was that .01% that did otherwise. I am no guru of the vegan community as a whole. I was just wondering how you guys feel about vegans who claim to be so compassionate of animals and enviroment, that don't think twice about trying to take care of themselves first...if you've ever even encountered such a person. I've only encountered 2(if that) that were like this. Maybe I'm just being close-minded but it just doesn't make sense in my head. How could you have one without the other.
 

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<b>People have a choice</b> in how they treat themselves. They can smoke, eat poorly, and inject molten lava into their eyes for all I care.<br><br><br><br>
OTOH <b>animals don't</b> have a choice.<br><br><br><br>
The only ethical or personal belief I would ever push on another person is that they do as much as they can to take care of the environment and to not treat animals as commodities (ie. stuff that affects other living things).<br><br><br><br>
And if they most smoke, just don't do it around me. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smoking.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":smoke:">
 

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People have no obligation to be healthy, nor can we IMO say that health is some kind of supreme virtue. If for them short-term enjoyments are more important than their longevity, there's not much more to talk about.<br><br><br><br>
One could argue that living an unhealthy lifestyle creates a burden for society to finance treating the ensuing medical problems, but that's quite a slippery slope that could justify us demonizing fat people like there was no tomorrow.<br><br><br><br>
Choices which directly harm others are another matter.
 

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Ok now <i>that</i> is one of the most used avatars. I thought the OP was someone else.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>veggiejanie</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I find it hilarious when people drink alcohol</div>
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Stop laughing at me. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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I don't drink or do drugs because I am a recovering addict. I don't smoke anymore because it is mostly not Vegan and highly unhealthy and super addictive. Stopping smoking had something to do with ethical considerations. Stopping everything else had to do with wanting to live.
 

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Veganism and being drug free are not the same and I understand that. I guess in my own mind the two just clicked together. It just doesn't make much sense to me to be so considerate of all forms of life when you don't hold the same standards for your own body. When I decided to stop drinking and eating meat/animal products, I did it because I found those things to be dependencies that I felt were the most unneccesary in my life for many reasons. I don't mean to bash anyone that does smoke or drink. Like Jeezy said, it's your life your choices. However, can anyone honestly say that smoking and drinking has never harmed the bystander?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>dropdeaddale</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Veganism and being drug free are not the same and I understand that. I guess in my own mind the two just clicked together. It just doesn't make much sense to me to be so considerate of all forms of life when you don't hold the same standards for your own body. When I decided to stop drinking and eating meat/animal products, I did it because I found those things to be dependencies that I felt were the most unneccesary in my life for many reasons. I don't mean to bash anyone that does smoke or drink. Like Jeezy said, it's your life your choices. However, can anyone honestly say that smoking and drinking has never harmed the bystander?</div>
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Maybe you should read more about straight-edge veg*ns, they probably think about it in the same way you do. A lot of activist vegans are sXe for example.
 

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However, can anyone honestly say that [edit] drinking has never harmed the bystander?</div>
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The only person who gets harmed when I drink is the anthropomorphic personification know as Mister Liversworth.
 

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However, can anyone honestly say that smoking and drinking has never harmed the bystander?</div>
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there's drug "use" and there's drug '"abuse" - they are completely seperate issues.<br><br><br><br>
doing a few drugs now and then is not going to have a significant impact upon a veg*ns health.
 

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I would guess that drug/alcohol/tobacco use among veg*ans is about the same as in the general population. There are a lot of people who choose to be veg*an due to health but plenty of omnis who are health nuts as well so it probably evens out.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Sevenseas</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Maybe you should read more about straight-edge veg*ns, they probably think about it in the same way you do. A lot of activist vegans are sXe for example.</div>
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I once attached myself to the "straight edge movement" but the direction it has taken makes me sick and I can no longer identify myself with that label.
 

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there's drug "use" and there's drug '"abuse" - they are completely seperate issues.<br><br><br><br>
doing a few drugs now and then is not going to have a significant impact upon a veg*ns health.</div>
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True, but the damage adds up. Maybe I'm just being extremely idealistic.
 

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I once attached myself to the "straight edge movement" but the direction it has taken makes me sick and I can no longer identify myself with that label.</div>
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Do you mean the "hardliners" (those who beat up drunks and what not) or something else?<br><br><br><br>
I'm a non-drinker non-smoker (and non-drugs-using) person myself, but don't identify myself as sXe either, but that's mainly because I'm not interested in the punk culture and don't have that strong a need for a new label.
 

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Do you mean the "hardliners" (those who beat up drunks and what not) or something else?<br><br><br><br>
I'm a non-drinker non-smoker (and non-drugs-using) person myself, but don't identify myself as sXe either, but that's mainly because I'm not interested in the punk culture and don't have that strong a need for a new label.</div>
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Yes I was referring to the hardliners. Using violence to express your views has always been and always will be something I am against. I adopted straight edge when I was 14 and the more I was exposed to the scene the more I despised the name. The label means nothing to me anymore.
 

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Do you mean the "hardliners" (those who beat up drunks</div>
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People do that? Why?
 

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To be honest with you, every vegan I know neither drinks nor smokes, nor does any recreational drugs. My vegan sister doesn't even drink caffiene (I guess that's a recreational drug too).<br><br><br><br>
I think the thing is that most vegans care greatly about their health, and as such they end up avoiding drugs and alcohol.<br><br><br><br>
I'm a vegetarian, I care about my health, but not enough to completely become a vegan apparently ( <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> ) As such, I drink on ocassion and don't mind caffiene. I've never done drugs though, and I'll never smoke. Plain and simple.
 
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