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Jewish Groups Decry PETA's Holocaust Ads<br><br>
Fri Feb 28, 5:54 PM ET<br><br><br><br>
By MICHELLE MORGANTE, Associated Press Writer<br><br>
SAN DIEGO - An animal-rights campaign comparing the suffering of livestock to that of Holocaust victims is drawing sharp criticism from a leading Jewish group for "trivializing" the mass murder of Jews.<br><br><br><br>
"The Holocaust on Your Plate" campaign by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, debuted this week in California and will make a national tour.<br><br><br><br>
The display is a set of eight 6-foot-by-10-foot panels showing photographs of Holocaust victims emaciated men, crowds of people being forced onto trains, children behind barbed wire, heaps of human bodies set next to similar images of cattle, pigs and chickens.<br><br><br><br>
The Anti-Defamation League denounced the project and PETA's appeal for support from the Jewish community as "outrageous, offensive and taking chutzpah to new heights."<br><br><br><br>
Abraham H. Foxman, a Holocaust survivor and ADL national director, said linking the deliberate, systematic murder of millions of Jews to the issue of animal rights was "abhorrent."<br><br><br><br>
PETA member Matt Prescott, the creator of the campaign, said he is Jewish and his family lost several members in Nazi concentration camps. He said the campaign was funded by a Jewish philanthropist who wishes to remain anonymous.<br><br><br><br>
He said criticism of the project was expected.<br><br><br><br>
"The fact is all animals feel pain, fear and loneliness," he said Friday. "We're asking people to recognize that what Jews and others went through in the Holocaust is what animals go through every day in factory farms."<br><br><br><br>
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On the Net:<br><br><br><br>
Anti-Defamation League: <a href="http://www.adl.org" target="_blank">http://www.adl.org</a><br><br><br><br>
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals: <a href="http://www.peta.com" target="_blank">http://www.peta.com</a><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030228/ap_on_re_us/peta_holocaust_display_3" target="_blank">http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...aust_display_3</a><br><br>
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I think it's about time for me to consider giving my money to an another organization.
 

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Apple, just my opinion here, but it really comes as no surprise to me that PeTA is pushing the envelope, again. It is this type of shock value that PeTa relies on to gain widespread media attention. Bad publicity for PeTA is as welcome as good publicity because the end result is free media coverage, free online coverage, etc.<br><br><br><br>
The irresponsible approach by PeTA I think is deliberate and is designed to pique people's interest enough to want to see the ad to see what the fuss is all about.<br><br><br><br>
I personally wouldn't give them the courtesy of a link, let alone money. There are indeed much better, MUCH more responsible organizations out there who would love to have your donation.
 

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my friends ask me if I am going to join peta now that I am vegan. I would have to say no cause there just way to extremist in their tactics. (I will admit if it wernt for peta I would probably not be vegan).
 

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I think there can be a case made for comparing the human and animal holocaust, but it needs to be done in a tasteful way (such as in the book eternal treblinka by Charles Patterson), not to be used for one's propaganda, without regard for people's feelings. That is rude.<br><br><br><br>
Likewise, the book "The dreaded comparison" takes a tasteful approach to comparing human and animal slavery.
 

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Animal suffering is just as horrible as human suffering, suffering is suffering. I can't see why it should offend anyone. Peta is not saying that the holocost victims did not suffer and I don't think they are trying to trivialize what these people went through I think it is more saying that what these victims went through was horrific and what the animals are going through is also horrific.
 

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That's the thing - most of us (some veg*ns, almost all non-veg*ns) do not see animal suffering and human suffering as even remotely equivalent.<br><br><br><br>
This PETA campaign was not to change minds - it was for cheap publicity. The hard core members will delude themselves into believing this ad will accomplish something, while the rest of society will think that AR advocates are morons.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Tame</i><br><br><b><br><br>
This PETA campaign was not to change minds - it was for cheap publicity.</b></div>
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You hit the nail on the head. That's all PETA tries to do. They don't use facts to change minds, they use shock tactics that make other veg*ns look like insane fruitcakes. I will never, ever support PETA, because they represent everything I hate about any militant group.
 

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Hey!!! What's wrong with being an insane fruitcake? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br><br><br><br>
I agree with Thalia and Yarnblossom. I may be wrong, but I think PETA may be doing more to hurt the movement than anything else. The last few protest targets and methods I've disagreed with. Yep, it's definitely time to give my money else where, but where? Ugh... I'm going to miss my Animal Times.
 

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Many religions teach that humans are above animals...common sense tells me that we are not. I agree with yarnblossom...suffering is suffering.<br><br>
If someone stabs you, you feel the same pain whether you are a genius or an idiot.<br><br>
Animals aren't less, just because humans CONSIDER them to be.<br><br>
Just as blacks, Native Americans, Jews and women weren't less because those in power considered (or consider) them to be.<br><br>
I agree with Peta. If what is happening to animals isn't a Holocaust, what is it?<br><br>
By the way, I happened to be married to a Jew who thinks the Holocaust comparison is quite fitting.
 

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I agree with Mushroom, suffering is suffering and cruelty is cruelty. I don't think the intention was to trivialize the Holocaust, it was to show the horror that billions of animals are faced with, at our hands. The suffering caused during the Holocaust could have been avoided if the Nazis would have acknowledged the rights of the Jews. So to could the suffering of animals be avoided if humans would acknowledge their rights.<br><br><br><br>
Call me idealistic, but my hope for campaigns like this, is that maybe some of the people who see it will stop and think. I know that most people will be turned off by it. But maybe there are some who will take the time to learn more about issues they had never even considered before. But then again, perhaps I'm just being naive. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I find it interesting that some Jewish people think its acceptible to have one of the absolute worst tragedies in history used to further a cause. It absolutely trivializes the Holocaust. It is not the same thing. This is the use of the attempted <b>genocide of an entire people</b> to further an animal rights campaign. I would hardly call the two comparable and I would hardly compare a lab rat to that of a Holocaust victim.
 

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many vegetarian jews (even some who lived through internment in nazi concentration camps) disagree with you, robert.<br><br><br><br>
i understand that <i>given the prevelant attitude about animals</i>, comparing them to people who suffered and died at the hands of nazi germany and hitler is offensive. however, i don't think it trivializes the holocaust at all. i believe it <i>elevates</i> the meaning and horror behind what happens to animals in modern factory farms to a level that makes most people feel uncomfortable. nobody wants to be associated with something like a holocaust. of course they don't. it is a terrible thing.
 

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Kreeli, I understand that some do not mind the current advertisement. I just find it interesting that they don't.<br><br><br><br>
I personally think that if I had lost my parents to the Holocaust, that using the tragedy to further a cause is just wrong. Not just animal welfare/rights, I mean any cause. I consider the Holocaust off-limits and should never be used for anything except for what it was, a human tragedy.
 

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To use an example non-holocaust related... consider this:<br><br><br><br>
Let's say your mother was beaten, raped, forced to eat glass, and then burned alive in an oven by some mass murderer like Ted Bundy. Would you appreciate PeTa using an autopsy pic of your mother alongside a dead chicken or a dead rat in an advertisement?<br><br><br><br>
The example above is also using someone's tortured parent for self-gain.
 

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I don't have much of an opinion on this since I recognize it for what it is but I do know that I would be thoroughly offended if someone close to me had gone through this.<br><br><br><br>
And the fact that we're even discussing this (along with every other message board and media outlet) just goes to show how effective PETA's campaigns are, whether you like them or not.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Robert</i><br><br><b>To use an example non-holocaust related... consider this:<br><br><br><br>
Let's say your mother was beaten, raped, forced to eat glass, and then burned alive in an oven by some mass murderer as ted Bundy. Would you appreciate PeTa using an autopsy pic of your mother alongside a dead chicken or a dead rat in an advertisement?<br><br><br><br>
It's not he Holocaust, I would never compare anythingto the Holocaust as I feel it is indeed off-limits. But the example above is also using someone's tortured parent for self-gain.</b></div>
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actually, PeTA attempted to run an ad in our local newspaper comparing the murders of hundreds of local women (all killed by the same seriel killer here, over a number of years) to the slaughter of pigs. they are notorious for this.<br><br><br><br>
it all comes back to the same basic argument that animal rights activists, and non-animal rights activists go back and forth on: is the life of an animal as sacred as a human being's? some people believe vehemently yes, and therefore will not find PeTA's ads offensive. some people believe vehemently no, and even consider it an insult to be compared to other species of living creatures, and therefore will be sickened and offended by PeTA's ads.<br><br><br><br>
which side is right and which is wrong? nobody knows for sure. but i feel pretty certain that hurting jewish people and insulting the memory of the loved ones they lost in world war II is not what is intended with this ad campaign. especially not the jewish vegetarians that helped create it.
 

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It's all relative. If I had a cuddly bunny and Celine Dion in a room and had to shoot one of them. Well. You know. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I think I remember that ad in the BC area. Wasn't that to do with that pig farmer who was murdering all the prostitutes over a 10 or 20 year period?<br><br><br><br>
I have no problem with advertising. PeTa, as any other business, has the right to advertise. I am just saying they should do it responsibly and respect the memories of those who lost loved ones. But then they would not have the shock value upon which they seem to so desperately thrive.<br><br><br><br>
And yes, I also felt it was inappropriate to jump on the bandwagon in that local situation you desribe.
 
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