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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>.Goth-Alice.</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2919914"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I dont understand why people are hero worhsiping a man who made a living pushing lubed toy cars up his bum. :/</div>
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It's what people do. Remember Michael Jackson? Everyone who was saying he was a pedophile before were suddenly listening to all his albums and talking about what a genius he is. There's a tendency to only look at the positives out of respect I guess, which I do sort of understand but when a guy shoves a car up his rectum that's going to stay in your mind <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>SomebodyElse</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2919871"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
People do stupid things when they are seven years old too.<br><br><br>
I'm confused. Will the real Ira please stand up?</div>
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easy. i was drunk last night and a bit more compassionate.<br><br>
anyways. people who do the stupid things are obviously to blame for their accidents. not the people in the bar, or the teachers who didn't see every student every second.<br><br>
And as you see I am totally right that they will do it on their own if they aren't taught not to do stupid things as kids "because they are just children and should never be judged and blamed". that stupid piece of crap that bothered the leopard may be eaten by a tiger in a year or two. i am holding my fingers crossed
 

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I have no sympathy for irresponsible jackasses. I reserve my sympathy for the thousands of people that die everyday from things the cannot control. He's just lucky he didn't kill anyone else. (Or did he?)
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Vegan Wannabe</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2920117"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I have no sympathy for irresponsible jackasses. I reserve my sympathy for the thousands of people that die everyday from things the cannot control. He's just lucky he didn't kill anyone else. (Or did he?)</div>
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The equally-irresponsible passenger.
 

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WRONG !. If you didn't work out plans to keep the drunk driving from ever happening, it's premeditated. And if you're too stupid/careless to make such plans, you're not mature enough to drink a single drop, ever.</div>
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Hell yes...bring that FIRE. Bring that PASSION. That's what I like to hear when it comes to putting drunk apologists in their place.<br><br>
It's like when I was in high school. About once a year some mouth breathing Darwin award winner would kill himself and usually other people in a drunk driving accident and they'd take up money or do a benefit for the family. How about we stop treating irresponsible wastes of human flesh like heroes and raise some money for anti drug education instead? (If you don't think alcohol is the most destructive drug of all then you're deeply delusional.)
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Ira</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2920083"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
easy. i was drunk last night and a bit more compassionate.<br><br>
anyways. people who do the stupid things are obviously to blame for their accidents. not the people in the bar, or the teachers who didn't see every student every second.<br><br>
And as you see I am totally right that they will do it on their own if they aren't taught not to do stupid things as kids "because they are just children and should never be judged and blamed". that stupid piece of crap that bothered the leopard may be eaten by a tiger in a year or two. i am holding my fingers crossed</div>
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<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"> That's more like it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>imdead-goaway</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2919538"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Exactly - <b>not logical</b> to accuse the girl wearing skimpy clothing of premeditating being taken advantage of in any way.<br>
Just as is it is <b>not logical</b> to say someone who gets drunk premeditated driving.<br><br>
In both situations, the person acknowledges, or should acknowledge, that they are taking a risk, however slight or great, and that there are potential consequences. This doesn't justify the person who takes advantage of her, and this doesn't justify the drunk person's friends who convince him to drive when he is in a suggestible state.<br><br>
What I'm really saying here, because this is starting to trail off, is that the word "premeditated" was being horribly misused.</div>
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There's quite a distinction between "taken advantage of" by people convincing you to make <i>your own choice to drive</i>, and being the victim of violence.<br><br>
Drunk drivers are responsible for getting drunk, and they're responsible for driving. When they get drunk, they might not intend to drive, that is true, but when they get behind the wheel, they do intend to drive drunk, unless they're completely unaware of being drunk (in which case the responsibility falls upon them not ever to get intoxicated and thereby enter a stage where they're not even aware of being intoxicated).
 

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Well firstly I would like it to be confirmed that he was drunk, which will happen within 4-6 weeks apparently. A few pics mean nothing really, and I'd not even want to start slagging off a dead man until that was proved.<br><br>
But all the same, drunk or not, two people have still died and that's a tragedy. Even if you think someone "deserved it" that doesn't take into account their friends and family who do not deserve to have their hearts ripped out. The clip of Bam Margeras interview at the crash scene is hard to watch. I find it very insensitive for a film crew to interview him so soon, but hey thats what the media is like.
 

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I live in England and here, driving a vehicle after having a drink is viewed as a serious crime.<br><br>
One glass, one bottle or all night session - you're treated the same.<br><br>
Punishment can be anything from a hefty fine and losing the right to drive and anything up to and including several years in jail. In my opinion, it's a good, good thing. Zero tolerance.<br><br>
I have never agreed with people that have one or two drinks and state that they "feel fine to drive". Bull****. Utter bull****. It's selfish and ignorant.<br><br>
When you've buried friends and family because someone "felt fine to drive", then come back to me and tell me it's ok.</div>
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Not exactly zero tolerance in the UK... legal limit is 80mg alcohol per 100ml blood.<br><br>
And I see no problem with someone having a beer with a meal at a pub then driving home, for example. My dad - a decent, sensible man, and a good driver - does it, because a single beer has no effect on him whatsoever. He's over 6 foot, and stocky. It takes a lot more than one beer to affect him. Many of my friends are the same way - they'll have one drink, and then drive, if they know that one drink is not going to impair their driving ability at all. Having a single, low-percentage alcoholic beverage is going to do less damage to your driving ability than, say, talking on the phone (even with hands free), or eating at the wheel.
 

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Many people already have bad driving habits (whether they know it or not) and the last thing they (or anyone in their path) need is a nanosecond delay on their abilities caused by even a single drink.<br><br>
I've done the "just one beer" thing before driving at least once (twice at the most) in my early 20's and I had to make some extra effort to be as 100% alert as normal (6'-1", 190 lbs, then).<br><br>
Driving a car is operating heavy machinery (I know some people think it's just a rolling extension of their living room)<br><br>
I feel bad for any trees that were probably killed or severely damaged.
 

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Many people already have bad driving habits (whether they know it or not) and the last thing they (or anyone in their path) need is a nanosecond delay on their abilities caused by even a single drink.<br><br>
I've done the "just one beer" thing before driving at least once (twice at the most) in my early 20's and I had to make some extra effort to be as 100% alert as normal (6'-1", 190 lbs, then).<br><br>
Driving a car is operating heavy machinery (I know some people think it's just a rolling extension of their living room)<br><br>
I feel bad for any trees that were probably killed or severely damaged.</div>
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TBF, I'd feel uneasy about anyone in the states doing it, because you go through way less driving training, and have a much stricter view on alcohol, meaning that people on the roads are way less used to both driving and drinking. Your roads are WAY more hazardous due to a combination of factors. I've been in a car in the US once, and it scared the crap outta me.<br><br>
What should be added to my post is the qualifying factors of: if you are an experienced driver, used to alcohol, driving a short and familiar and not at all dangerous path, and you have had less alcohol than it would take to intoxicate a prepubescent child.
 

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Well firstly I would like it to be confirmed that he was drunk, which will happen within 4-6 weeks apparently.</div>
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That's already been released. His blood alcohol content was .196 which is over twice the legal limit for 'drunk'.<br><br><a href="http://www.thewrap.com/tv/article/ryan-dunns-bac-more-double-legal-limit-time-crash-28494" target="_blank">http://www.thewrap.com/tv/article/ry...me-crash-28494</a>
 

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That's already been released. His blood alcohol content was .196 which is over twice the legal limit for 'drunk'.<br><br><a href="http://www.thewrap.com/tv/article/ryan-dunns-bac-more-double-legal-limit-time-crash-28494" target="_blank">http://www.thewrap.com/tv/article/ry...me-crash-28494</a></div>
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Yup. Ebert summed it up pretty nicely before all the backpedaling.
 

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"I just lost my best friend, I have been crying hysterical[ly] for a full day and piece of s--- roger ebert has the gall to put in his 2 cents about a jackass drunk driving and [he] is one, f--- you!" Margera wrote. "Millions of people are crying right now, shut your fat f---ing mouth!"<br><br>
Should be pissed off at his friend, the driver, not Ebert.
 

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Millions of people are crying right now?</div>
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Well, Bam didn't actually say they were crying over Ryan Dunn.
 

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I just watched the interview with Bam, and feel really bad for him. the poor guy was just breaking down there, he just lost his best friend. so yeah, there is no need to make those jokes yet. even if nobody here gives a **** about Ryan, his friends and families are there. wonder how much all of you would enjoy if someone you knew and loved died and people would make jokes about it<br><br>
and anyways, after the question to me, i just thought how dumb our society is and how hypocritical. everyone is programmed about kind of death based on poor judgement they should be sympathetic about and what not. most people who say he deserved it probably would not say the same thing about a woman who got killed after choosing to stay in an abusive relationship. or some idiot child who jumped out of the window. too bad Ryan couldn't take a few morons while he had his accident.<br><br>
Well, Ryan was always a daredevil, he died how he lived.
 

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This new sensitive Ira is even more fake than the old misanthropic Ira.
 

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i am not sensitive. i said it was his fault, even in my drunk post i said so.<br><br>
but at least i am not a ****ing hypocrite who is sorry for every idiot out there unless alcohol is involved, because here the society told me i should not be sympathetic
 
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