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I have often argued with my fiancee about this. She believes that having 2 or 3 drinks is fine. I have always had the principle and belief that not a single drop should pass your lips if you are going to drive.<br><br>
I have my reasons for this and I'm sure most of you could possibly guess why. I think I need say no more. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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I have often argued with my fiancee about this. She believes that having 2 or 3 drinks is fine. I have always had the principle and belief that not a single drop should pass your lips if you are going to drive..</div>
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I am with you on that belief.
 

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I have often argued with my fiancee about this. She believes that having 2 or 3 drinks is fine. I have always had the principle and belief that not a single drop should pass your lips if you are going to drive.<br><br>
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I agree, my dad raised us all with this belief. Im glad he did.
 

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I have no sympathy. Apparently nobody else was hurt or killed, but could have easily happened that way. Drunk driving accidents are a premeditated choice someone makes.
 

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I have no sympathy. Apparently nobody else was hurt or killed, but could have easily happened that way. Drunk driving accidents are a premeditated choice someone makes.</div>
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hey there,<br><br>
I read that he had a passenger...yet to be named.... in the car and they were killed also.<br><br>
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hey there,<br><br>
I read that he had a passenger...yet to be named.... in the car and they were killed also.<br><br>
Peace<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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Yeah I read that also.
 

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Eh...<br>
I don't agree with driving requiring zero alcohol...<br><br>
There's no question a point at which you driving shouldn't be an option, and that point comes quickly, but if I have a beer, I know I'm adept to drive down the street. Maybe some people aren't competent enough drivers to feel comfortable doing that, but when I have a little drink in my system, (i.e. - a beer, or a glass or two of wine several hours before) I'm a more careful driver. There are, of course, a few wild highways nearby on which I wouldn't drive even with a beer in me, and even sober I don't text or answer my phone on because I need to be paying attention at every moment to the road, or I WILL crash, but down a residential or business street, I could probably drive with my eyes closed.<br><br>
And as for drunk driving being a "premeditated choice" ... no. In some situations, sure, but you cannot make that statement so general. You can very well start drinking with no intention to drive later, and later that night find yourself sloshed, sitting behind the wheel. You can take steps to avoid the situation, such as having a designated driver or a couch to crash on, but I definitely wouldn't say drunk driving is always something planned in advance.
 

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And as for drunk driving being a "premeditated choice" ... no.</div>
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WRONG !. If you didn't work out plans to keep the drunk driving from ever happening, it's premeditated. And if you're too stupid/careless to make such plans, you're not mature enough to drink a single drop, ever.
 

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WRONG !. If you didn't work out plans to keep the drunk driving from ever happening, it's premeditated. And if you're too stupid/careless to make such plans, you're not mature enough to drink a single drop, ever.</div>
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You do something stupid, you deserve the consequences. If you survive those consequences, you learn something (hopefully). If you don't, other's learn from your mistake.<br><br>
Sympathy to his, and the passenger's, family and friends, but if he's dumb enough to fully intend on driving after drinking (3 beers and 3 shots), he got what was coming. (and the passenger who got into the car with him)<br><br>
Many <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunk_driving_law_by_country" target="_blank">countries in Europe</a> are much more strict on this or won't even tolerate it, and you most likely won't see anyone there with 10+ DUI's, unlike over in the United States where it's pretty much just treated as a joke. "Becky got her 6th DUI! LOL when will that girl learn." No matter how many signs are plastered over the roads, the commercials on TV, or the heartbreaking news stories where children are decapitated or entire families are murdered, there still will be idiots who think they're "not too drunk to drive" or it's "just fine".
 

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You do something stupid, you deserve the consequences. If you survive those consequences, you learn something (hopefully). If you don't, other's learn from your mistake.<br><br>
Sympathy to his, and the passenger's, family and friends, but if he's dumb enough to fully intend on driving after drinking (3 beers and 3 shots), he got what was coming. (and the passenger who got into the car with him)<br><br>
Many <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunk_driving_law_by_country" target="_blank">countries in Europe</a> are much more strict on this or won't even tolerate it, and you won't see anyone there with 10+ DUI's, unlike over in the United States where it's pretty much just treated as a joke. "Becky got her 6th DUI! LOL when will that girl learn." No matter how many signs are plastered over the roads, the commercials on TV, or the heartbreaking news stories where children are decapitated or entire families are murdered, there still will be idiots who think they're "not too drunk to drive" or it's "just fine".</div>
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Well, he was on a show called "Jackass"...intelligence and wise decision making were probably never his strong suit. It is too bad that his family and friends have to go through this, something which could have easily been avoided<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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WRONG !. If you didn't work out plans to keep the drunk driving from ever happening, it's premeditated. And if you're too stupid/careless to make such plans, you're not mature enough to drink a single drop, ever.</div>
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<br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Premeditated:</span><br>
done deliberately; planned in advance: <i>a premeditated murder.</i><br><br>
You can say it's <i>careless</i> or <i>risky</i>, but not <i>premeditated</i>.<br><br>
Otherwise, by that logic, when a girl wears suggestive clothing, she's premeditating being raped.
 

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I live in England and here, driving a vehicle after having a drink is viewed as a serious crime.<br><br>
One glass, one bottle or all night session - you're treated the same.<br><br>
Punishment can be anything from a hefty fine and losing the right to drive and anything up to and including several years in jail. In my opinion, it's a good, good thing. Zero tolerance.<br><br>
I have never agreed with people that have one or two drinks and state that they "feel fine to drive". Bull****. Utter bull****. It's selfish and ignorant.<br><br>
When you've buried friends and family because someone "felt fine to drive", then come back to me and tell me it's ok.
 

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I guess it's mostly depending on your personality and driving skills whether you crash whilst DIU.
 

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Well, he was on a show called "Jackass"...intelligence and wise decision making were probably never his strong suit. It is too bad that his family and friends have to go through this, something which could have easily been avoided<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("></div>
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Yeah, there's a joke going around that's anywhere along the lines of "He died as he lived; with car parts in his rectum."<br><br><br>
Had he just took the precaution of securing a sober driver, whether taxi, friend, family, or even staying at a hotel, prior to going drinking, he could be sitting back and chilling with his friends right now. In that picture taken 2 hours before the crash, he seemed to be enjoying his time and having fun, but not anymore. I don't get why people don't get that. I look at the people I know and all the stupid decisions they're making, and I'm basically just waiting for the day one of them dies because of this. A number of them have already been in accidents because of other bad driving decisions, and managed to escape relatively unscathed. One day it's not going to be that way, but everyone is "invincible". Reading comments about this situation across the internet just solidifies that humans act completely stupid about this. (Mostly Stateside, because driving is more of a right than a privilege)<br><br>
This happens all too often. I'd say the only "good" thing that happened is that no innocent bystanders were hurt because of his decision. Too many people suffer every day because of one person's actions.
 

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Yeah, there's a joke going around that's anywhere along the lines of "He died as he lived; with car parts in his rectum."<br><br><br>
Had he just took the precaution of securing a sober driver, whether taxi, friend, family, or even staying at a hotel, prior to going drinking, he could be sitting back and chilling with his friends right now. In that picture taken 2 hours before the crash, he seemed to be enjoying his time and having fun, but not anymore. I don't get why people don't get that. I look at the people I know and all the stupid decisions they're making, and I'm basically just waiting for the day one of them dies because of this. A number of them have already been in accidents because of other bad driving decisions, and managed to escape relatively unscathed. One day it's not going to be that way, but everyone is "invincible".<br><br>
This happens all too often. I'd say the only "good" thing that happened is that no innocent bystanders were hurt because of his decision. Too many people suffer every day because of one person's actions.</div>
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I hear ya. My sister confided in me a few years ago that she once drove home completely smashed. I came down on her pretty hard, talking about the innocent people she could have killed because she was too stupid to call me to come pick her up. One of my friends did the same thing and I gave her the same talk. That's why I leave my cell phone on all night, just in case someone needs a ride. I'd rather drive 50 miles to pick up a drunk friend than have them kill themselves and/or others.
 

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The pics of his car are beyond scary. You can't even tell that chunk of metal was once a car. Such a horrible way to die (not that there is a "good" way to die). I don't think people realize the severity of car crashes. They think "it won't happen to me".
 
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