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I've only been a vegetarian for 4 months. [nobody thought i'd last longer than 2 weeks] and my parents were all for it. now i've decided to go vegan and my parents not only refuse to by the vegan substitutions i need, my mom flat out laughed and said it was silly <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/brood.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":brood:"> . we're not talking about strict church going rule following people here <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/angel.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":angel:"> , we're talking about my parents, the open-minded libral, accepting of most anyone kind of people <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/afro.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":afro:"> . so this sudden closed minded way of thinking was a surprise. any suggestions on convincing them this isn't a waste of time?
 

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I'm sorry to hear that your folks are not being supportive. What kind of substitutions are you talking about? Perhaps we can offer some alternative, less "radical" suggestions. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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well milk. and my mom just doesn't like waiting on me in the grocery store while i check the ingredents on everything i pick up.
 
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if your mom doesn't like waiting on you while you check labels, perhaps you could arrange a way around this... like i used to do with mine (my mum didn't practically have enough time for label reading in the grocery store).<br><br><br><br>
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if the grocery store isn't too far from home, she could give you your own small part of the family food budget to go and pick up the things that you need (and to read all the labels you like!) in your own time...<br><br><br><br>
if the grocery store is too far for you to get to and from on your own, if she has other chores to do in the same general location, she could drop you off near there a little early, and go do her other chores in town, before she comes back to do her grocery shopping. that way you could get started, and then you could meet up in the store and continue doing her part of the shopping a little later (so you could get a headstart with the label reading). -from experience, i'd note that this'd work really well if there was an agreed list, and that you were really sensible with what you put in the cart, and not so well if she turned up an hour later to find you'd put a whole load of expensive veggie stuff in the shopping cart already.<br><br><br><br>
if she objects to buying soya milk because of the cost, perhaps you could look into other sources of the same nutrients (i don't drink huge amounts of soya milk, cos its quite expensive- i have more beans and veggies and rice and pasta and cheaper stuff). you can use calcium fortified orange juice in many breakfast cereals, for example, and for cooking, you can often times use water or juice in place of soya milk. get yourself a vegan food pyramid, and some vegan nutrition books, and some 'low budget vegan food plans', (i've seen these online) and see what you can work out.<br><br><br><br>
you could also work out how much your food costs per week as an omni, as a veggie, and again as a vegan, and figure out a budget that means its no more expensive to feed you as a vegan, than as an omni or veggie was- and show her this. if you're not relying on a lot of expensive stuff, like meat substitutes and the like, but are focusing on whole grains, beans, tofu, nuts, and fruits and veggies, etc, i'd think it could work out cheaper than being a veggie and eating a lot of eggs, milk, and cheese, or being an omni and eating lots of other yucky stuff, might.<br><br><br><br>
or if she's still not keen on buying stuff you feel you need, you could look into getting a little part time job to pay for a few of your own special items- like the soya milk- if nothing else, it'd show that you're being mature and serious about it, and that you're prepared to take steps and do what you need to do, to get what you need to get- she might ease up a bit then, and be more keen to negotiate, if she sees that you're not expecting her to put herself out for your wants, but that you're open to negotiations, and that you're being practical and realistic and proactive about stuff.
 

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nice post jen <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>hoodedclawjen</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
if your mom doesn't like waiting on you while you check labels, perhaps you could arrange a way around this... like i used to do with mine (my mum didn't practically have enough time for label reading in the grocery store).<br><br><br><br>
for example:<br><br><br><br>
if the grocery store isn't too far from home, she could give you your own small part of the family food budget to go and pick up the things that you need (and to read all the labels you like!) in your own time...<br><br><br><br>
if the grocery store is too far for you to get to and from on your own, if she has other chores to do in the same general location, she could drop you off near there a little early, and go do her other chores in town, before she comes back to do her grocery shopping. that way you could get started, and then you could meet up in the store and continue doing her part of the shopping a little later (so you could get a headstart with the label reading). -from experience, i'd note that this'd work really well if there was an agreed list, and that you were really sensible with what you put in the cart, and not so well if she turned up an hour later to find you'd put a whole load of expensive veggie stuff in the shopping cart already.<br><br><br><br>
if she objects to buying soya milk because of the cost, perhaps you could look into other sources of the same nutrients (i don't drink huge amounts of soya milk, cos its quite expensive- i have more beans and veggies and rice and pasta and cheaper stuff). you can use calcium fortified orange juice in many breakfast cereals, for example, and for cooking, you can often times use water or juice in place of soya milk. get yourself a vegan food pyramid, and some vegan nutrition books, and some 'low budget vegan food plans', (i've seen these online) and see what you can work out.<br><br><br><br>
you could also work out how much your food costs per week as an omni, as a veggie, and again as a vegan, and figure out a budget that means its no more expensive to feed you as a vegan, than as an omni or veggie was- and show her this. if you're not relying on a lot of expensive stuff, like meat substitutes and the like, but are focusing on whole grains, beans, tofu, nuts, and fruits and veggies, etc, i'd think it could work out cheaper than being a veggie and eating a lot of eggs, milk, and cheese, or being an omni and eating lots of other yucky stuff, might.<br><br><br><br>
or if she's still not keen on buying stuff you feel you need, you could look into getting a little part time job to pay for a few of your own special items- like the soya milk- if nothing else, it'd show that you're being mature and serious about it, and that you're prepared to take steps and do what you need to do, to get what you need to get- she might ease up a bit then, and be more keen to negotiate, if she sees that you're not expecting her to put herself out for your wants, but that you're open to negotiations, and that you're being practical and realistic and proactive about stuff.</div>
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thanks so much hoodedclawjen! that was really helpful. the only problem is the job part, because my mom says i can't get a job untill my grades are good. (i just recently failed 9th grade, because i didn't try) she's still a little upset about that. but i think i can work around it.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Feed Your Head</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
(i just recently failed 9th grade, because i didn't try)</div>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Newman!</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
After a while you don't have to check labels; you know by brand.</div>
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<br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:"> Let your mom know that having to read labels is most definitely temporary. I almost never read labels anymore. Also, remember that if you buy whole foods, there are no labels to read. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"> Whole foods are also easier on your parents' budget, and healthier for you. Think fruits and veggies, beans, whole grains. The only processed food you might want to convince your parents to buy is soy milk that is fortified with B-12. Those brands usually have calcium and vitamin D added, too. It's a nice nutritional safety net, especially when you're a new vegan.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Vegan Joe</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><span><span style="font-size:xx-large;">"Feed Your Head"</span></span></div>
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hahah<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:">
 
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