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Not saying who said this, but it does kind of sound like it could be true. Not gonna stop being vegan, just wondering peoples opinions on this<br><br><br>
Does simply eating a vegan diet and not buying animal products do anything for animals?<br><br>
In order to be an ethical and decent human being, one must be vegan. There is no gray area here. You are either vegan or you are complicit in the war on animals.<br><br>
But, no, being an ethical vegan does absolutely nothing to relieve animal suffering. In the real world free market, when demand for meat/eggs/dairy declines, the government subsidizes a given exploitation industry and buys any excess supply of animal products, thus ensuring that the suppliers profits as well as the economy remain intact. The government buys the surplus and generally diverts it into schools and welfare programs or the it is exported to other countries to satisfy federal foreign debt.<br><br>
I believe that we are wasting enormous amounts of the vegan communitys time and energy by advocating vegan outreach. The animals are dying in exponentially greater numbers.
 

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Never heard that before. Tbh, sounds like it's some scaremongering. Government wouldn't need to buy food for donating to other countries when charities do that. And schools etc buy wholesale cheap from wholesalers, nothing to do with government.<br><br>
And without more vegans, there'd be less vegan goods on the market. The more we buy vegan food the more it lands on store shelves.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>AdamLayish</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2910468"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
But, no, being an ethical vegan does absolutely nothing to relieve animal suffering. In the real world free market, when demand for meat/eggs/dairy declines, the government subsidizes a given exploitation industry and buys any excess supply of animal products, thus ensuring that the suppliers profits as well as the economy remain intact. The government buys the surplus and generally diverts it into schools and welfare programs or the it is exported to other countries to satisfy federal foreign debt.<br><br>
I believe that we are wasting enormous amounts of the vegan communitys time and energy by advocating vegan outreach. The animals are dying in exponentially greater numbers.</div>
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Correlation =/= causation. Agricultural subsides will persist whether demand for animal products drops due to widespread natural disaster or widespread ethical choice.
 

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Some certainly feel that way, Adam.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>sorrowthepig</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2910488"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Correlation =/= causation.</div>
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On average a vegan individual can save up to 93 animals per year. By not eating meat you are not specifically going out and physically saving these animals but your efforts to end animal suffering matter. All vegans' efforts to stop animal suffering help. Through persistance and education it is possible that veganism can grow. Especially with the growing rates of diabetes and heart disease in America alone, even if not for ethical reasons, a vegan diet will most likely become more and more popular. I wish it could be for ethical reasons and animal advocacy, and it will be for many people, but unfortunately not everyone who switches. If enough people strived to educate others on veganism then the movement could potentially spread. If everyone stopped trying then education would cease. It may not be easy and I certainly don't agree with shoving your ideas down other's throats, but it is far better to continue reaching out, educating, and advocating then to not do so at all. Even the smallest efforts help.
 

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I think one of the most important things we do is act as a visible target market. As numbers grow, veganizing products becomes increasingly more attractive. This in turn allows less effort for others to convert, and so on. At this point, I think that is more of an impact than reduced consumption.
 

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I do not believe a personal change makes a political change really, only when A LOT of people make the same change.
 

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Just because your actions alone can't stop something this big in its tracks, does not mean you aren't helping at all, and it does not mean you are justified in turning a blind eye, or giving up and contributing directly to the problem. I agree that it sounds like scaremongering.
 

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As a consumer, every dollar you spend casts a vote.<br><br>
What are you voting for?
 

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I think, regardless of what the reality is, the point is that we need to reach out to future politicians, so the veg*n movement can have inside political strength.
 

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