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I am transitioning from animal products for health reasons. I want to give up dairy and switch to soy but i have been told that soy is bad for men cause of the estrogens. Can anyone shed some light on this?<br><br>
I would give it up totally but I really love musli :) and I need milk for that :p
 

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Ehhhh... I'm too lazy , just use Google. Don't eat tons of it, but a fair amount is safe. If you are really paranoid, avoid it, but only after spending hours of research/reading. I eat tofu and soy milk, but I don't have it every day. Soy is an amazing asset to vegans, it's cheap and is vegetarian.
 

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Moderation, baby. moderation.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>unovegan</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2838844"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
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Exactly, it's all about moderation.<br><br>
And here's some reading to help ease your mind, OP.<br><br><a href="http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/soymessina" target="_blank">http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/soymessina</a>
 

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If you're worried about soy, there are plenty of other vegan milks to choose from. Rice, almond, oat, hemp. Pick one or all of 'em. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Mrs. T</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2838851"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
If you're worried about soy, there are plenty of other vegan milks to choose from. Rice, almond, oat, hemp. Pick one or all of 'em. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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this. With my kids, we have soy, rice and coconut milk to choose from.
 

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The estrogens in soy are phytoestrogens. They do not act upon the body in the same way your own estrogen does. They are capable of occupying your estrogen receptor sites, which means your own estrogen (yes, men make estrogen too, just not as much as women) will be eliminated through your kidneys if phytoestrogens have blocked them from being absorbed. This is considered a good thing for people who are prone to estrogen-sensitive cancer, or have an imbalance in estrogen production resulting in too much estrogen being made.<br><br>
The estrogens in animal milks are a lot more likely to be able to act upon the human body than the phytoestrogens in soybeans. Animal milks are full of naturally occurring hormones, even organic animal milks, even without injecting the animals with artificial hormones.
 

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Get used to having everything about you diet analyzed and picked on. Not only is what Somebody Else said correct, but the things you should worry about with soy is when it's over processed- as in soy isolates- as in what is added to all kinds of meat based stuff, as well as snack foods. If you're going veg due to health, you'll probably avoid these.<br>
Saturated fats, nitrates, all the crap they put into meat have long made the news as everything from cancer, heart problems, diabetes- you name it. That's fine for conversation, but when people actually take it seriously most people act like they're crazy!<br>
Whenever folks bring up issues with your diet always do your research. Just make sure the articles aren't funded by the dairy council, or Weston Price!
 

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Asian people have been eating soy for thousands of years with no negative effects, a lot of the fear mongering you hear about it comes from the meat and dairy industries. Scaring people into thinking they won't be as manly if they don't eat meat is a great way to keep customers <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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Being a man means being a kind, considerate person who just happens to have a penis. A little estrogen never hurt anyone.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Rotoshave</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2839133"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Being a man means being a kind, considerate person who just happens to have a penis. A little estrogen never hurt anyone.</div>
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<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:"> I sure wish more men thought that way, the world would be a lot easier to live in.
 

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Asian people have been eating soy for thousands of years with no negative effects, a lot of the fear mongering you hear about it comes from the meat and dairy industries. Scaring people into thinking they won't be as manly if they don't eat meat is a great way to keep customers <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"></div>
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the more I read up on soy myself....I find this statement doesn't really apply to the food American's are eating today. Frankly, the soy isolates and any "overly processed" soy food should be limited really. Stick with the fermented soy like tempeh and miso. Not even tofu really (again, it's the food from today, not the asian's "real" fresh tofu they make). Soy milk, fake soy meats, crumbles, and all of the processed foods that contain soy lecithan and derivatives. We are eating tons more soy than asians ever thought of, because it's in everything packaged! article after article say they ate soy in small amts, we just eat more of everything in larger quantities!
 

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I don't trust Paula Deen.
 

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I have some serious hormone problems so I need to be careful thats all. I have several hormones that are below normal range some by a lot I dont really want to be screwing myself up even more.
 

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You would probably get more hormones eating meat and dairy than tofu. But if you're concerned, start out slowly and increase gradually. I eat soy products at least once or twice a day and haven't noticed any adverse affects.
 

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Lotsa good reading here <a href="http://www.bryannaclarkgrogan.com/page/page/3476771.htm#weston" target="_blank">http://www.bryannaclarkgrogan.com/pa...771.htm#weston</a><br><br>
Just to recap: the Weston A Price Foundation is the ultimate origin of much of the negative that floats around about soy. This small nonprofit promotes the oudated - and in some cases dangerously wrong - dietetic theories of a 1930s/40s dentist. Which doesn't de facto mean those theories are incorrect, but the fact that they often contradict the professional opinions of actual dieticians and nutritionists should be considered. Maybe the WAP people are wrong and butter isn't the key to a strong and happy family <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Lotsa good reading here <a href="http://www.bryannaclarkgrogan.com/page/page/3476771.htm#weston" target="_blank">http://www.bryannaclarkgrogan.com/pa...771.htm#weston</a><br><br>
Just to recap: the Weston A Price Foundation is the ultimate origin of much of the negative that floats around about soy. This small nonprofit promotes the oudated - and in some cases dangerously wrong - dietetic theories of a 1930s/40s dentist. Which doesn't de facto mean those theories are incorrect, but the fact that they often contradict the professional opinions of actual dieticians and nutritionists should be considered. Maybe the WAP people are wrong and butter isn't the key to a strong and happy family <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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LOL, I laughed SO hard when I first stumbled onto the Weston Price Foundation website. "They're happy because they eat BUTTER!" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 
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