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I have a bright red female beta and about a week ago I noticed that the scales beteen her head and her fin were kind of a transparent/whitish color. Is this normal, like are the scales just flaking off, or does this sound like ick?<br><br>
The reason it worries me is right before this showed up her tank got really filthy really fast. Within a week it went from a tiny brown spot in the corner to almost the entire glass and plants being covered in brown slime. I cleaned it that weekend and then the white scales showed up on her after that. I know they make treatment for tha but I live in a small town and would either have to take her to the local vet or drive 3 hours to get to a pet store. I have never had a fish get ick before so I don't know what to look for. I don't want to have to spend that much money, on gas or on a vet bill, if it turns out to just be normal. I'm a broke college student! Any suggestions?
 

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I have a bright red female beta and about a week ago I noticed that the scales beteen her head and her fin were kind of a transparent/whitish color. Is this normal, like are the scales just flaking off, or does this sound like ick?<br><br>
The reason it worries me is right before this showed up her tank got really filthy really fast. Within a week it went from a tiny brown spot in the corner to almost the entire glass and plants being covered in brown slime. I cleaned it that weekend and then the white scales showed up on her after that. I know they make treatment for tha but I live in a small town and would either have to take her to the local vet or drive 3 hours to get to a pet store. I have never had a fish get ick before so I don't know what to look for. I don't want to have to spend that much money, on gas or on a vet bill, if it turns out to just be normal. I'm a broke college student! Any suggestions?</div>
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<br><br><br><span style="color:#008000;">Can you post a pic here of her? It sounds like there is definitely a problem. Ich definitely manifests itself as little white spots. See the pic below.</span><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/attachment.php?s=298fdee2cb84be1f4ca7b3a6aaf4cbfd&attachmentid=9306" title="">Attachment 9306</a><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><span style="color:#008000;">Also can you provide some information as to what size tank you have her in, how often you are changing the water, and other basic information? It will help we fish folk on VB figure out better what your situation is.</span>
 

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Brown algae can be a sign of overfeeding. Ich looks like someone has sprinkled salt on the fish. There is a product called BettaFix. It comes in a little bottle with a purple label. It treats several different diseases in Bettas and is usually pretty effective.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>~Brandon</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><span style="color:#008000;">Can you post a pic here of her? It sounds like there is definitely a problem. Ich definitely manifests itself as little white spots. See the pic below.</span><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/attachment.php?s=277b5cffee56a619035586fa309d6eb4&attachmentid=9306" title="">Attachment 9306</a><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><span style="color:#008000;">Also can you provide some information as to what size tank hou have her in, how often you are changing the water, and other basic information? It will help we fish folk on VB figure out better what your situation is.</span></div>
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I will try to post a picture of her when I get home tonight. She has more of a patch than little spots like that. I change her water about every 3 to 4 weeks although when the tank turned brown it was just days after I cleaned it. It is a 5 gallon tank, actually about half a gallon over. It has a filter and I have live plants in there. When I wash it I use hot water only because I am afraid to use anything else that could harm her. I usually put purified water in there and I use those drops that clean it also, I don't remember what they are called. I usually feed her 3-4 pellets a day.
 

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<span style="color:#008000;">I'm wondering if she might have body rot. Only thing is, usually body rot manifests after fin rot is present and has progressed to an advanced degree. It's still hard for me to do much but guess w/o a picture to go by.<br><br><br><br>
Maybe this page will help you:<br><br><a href="http://www.bettatalk.com/betta_diseases.htm" target="_blank">http://www.bettatalk.com/betta_diseases.htm</a><br><br><br><br>
There is a lot of good info on that page.</span>
 

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How do you clean her tank? Do you remove all the water, ect. and clean it or do you vacuum the gravel and only remove a portion of the water? If you're washing the filter, gravel, etc. in hot water every month you're killing the beneficial bacteria that live on it and causing her tank to re-cycle every time you clean the tank, which could definitely cause a problem. Do you have access to any water quality test kits? Also how much/often do you feed her, are the plants in good health, and do you remove old food, shed leaves, etc. daily?<br><br><br><br>
You should be able to mail order fish meds easily off the internet once we figure out what is wrong, but getting any water quality issues taken care of will help more than anything.
 

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How do you clean her tank? Do you remove all the water, ect. and clean it or do you vacuum the gravel and only remove a portion of the water? If you're washing the filter, gravel, etc. in hot water every month you're killing the beneficial bacteria that live on it and causing her tank to re-cycle every time you clean the tank, which could definitely cause a problem. Do you have access to any water quality test kits? Also how much/often do you feed her, are the plants in good health, and do you remove old food, shed leaves, etc. daily?<br><br><br><br>
You should be able to mail order fish meds easily off the internet once we figure out what is wrong, but getting any water quality issues taken care of will help more than anything.</div>
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<br><br><br><span style="color:#008000;">I was hoping you'd post here, belovedtree. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> Your betta knowledge is somewhat more intensive than my own.</span>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>~Brandon</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><span style="color:#008000;">I was hoping you'd post here, belovedtree. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> Your betta knowledge is somewhat more intensive than my own.</span></div>
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<br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/blush.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":eek:"> Thanks! It's only the product of being a 20 something in a college town. Everyone and their brother has a sick betta living in a two cup bowl <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/no.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":no:"> .
 

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How do you clean her tank? Do you remove all the water, ect. and clean it or do you vacuum the gravel and only remove a portion of the water? If you're washing the filter, gravel, etc. in hot water every month you're killing the beneficial bacteria that live on it and causing her tank to re-cycle every time you clean the tank, which could definitely cause a problem. Do you have access to any water quality test kits? Also how much/often do you feed her, are the plants in good health, and do you remove old food, shed leaves, etc. daily?<br><br><br><br>
You should be able to mail order fish meds easily off the internet once we figure out what is wrong, but getting any water quality issues taken care of will help more than anything.</div>
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I usually take everything out and wash it. Occasionally I dont when I am feeling lazy, but good to know that I should not always do that. I don't know where to find any test kits. I don't remove much but there is nothing to remove really, the plants leave do not shed, they are big leaves and perfectly green without spots or anything. I feed her 3-4 pellets a day and she eats all of them in seconds so there is nothing left. When I see something I pull it out though.<br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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I'm wondering if she might have body rot. Only thing is, usually body rot manifests after fin rot is present and has progressed to an advanced degree. It's still hard for me to do much but guess w/o a picture to go by.<br><br><br><br>
Maybe this page will help you:<br><br><a href="http://www.bettatalk.com/betta_diseases.htm" target="_blank">http://www.bettatalk.com/betta_diseases.htm</a><br><br><br><br>
There is a lot of good info on that page.</div>
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It does not look like rot but the link was helpful. After looking at some pictures it really looked like the fungal thing.
 

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<span style="color:#008000;">If it's a fungus, you can get medication to put in the water to treat it. That link that I put in my earlier post makes recommendations as for treatment and products.<br><br>
It's important that you treat it before it gets worse and it's ultra-important that you follow the directions closely.<br><br><br><br>
Please, keep us advised as to how this progresses!<br><br></span>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>thebelovedtree</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/blush.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":eek:"> Thanks! It's only the product of being a 20 something in a college town. Everyone and their brother has a sick betta living in a two cup bowl <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/no.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":no:"> .</div>
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<br><br><br><span style="color:#008000;">My only experience with sick bettas has, unfortunately, been dropsy. Dropsy is so sad. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("></span>
 

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You should never remove the gravel, filter, etc. from the tank, they provide a home for bacteria which convert fish waste into less harmful chemicals (ammonia->nitrate->nitrate, or the nitrate cycle). Grab a siphon offline or next time your in a pet store and change 10% of the water every week, sucking some of the junk out of the gravel each time. In such a small tank you could easily just use a turkey baster instead of a siphon if you don't want to use one. You'll see some black looking stuff come out (mulm) which is essentially fish poo compost, and is actually very important to the ecology of the tank, so you don't have to get it all out but it is good to kick up the gravel a bit so anaerobic bacteria don't start to grow and too much waste doesn't accumulate.<br><br><br><br>
It's good that you pull out waste as you see it, keep up with that and start adding some aquarium salt to your water and you should be OK. You might also want to start feeding 6 days a week rather than 7. You're already way ahead of the game with a 5 gallon tank, filter, etc. most bettas don't get that sort of treatment.<br><br><br><br>
If you follow the treatment suggested on the betta talk page she should be just fine, that is a wonderful site.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Good luck!<br><br><br><br>
ETA: when the filter does need to be rinsed just swish it around in old tank water. Tap water contains chlorine which will, again, kill those important bacteria.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>~Brandon</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><span style="color:#008000;">My only experience with sick bettas has, unfortunately, been dropsy. Dropsy is so sad. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("></span></div>
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Thankfully thats one thing I haven't seen, it sounds like it would break your heart. I'm sorry you had to deal with it.
 

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<span style="color:#008000;">It's horrible, all right. All the scales sticking out like a pinecone and a swollen belly. The poor thing doesn't eat and pretty much just wastes away. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/bigcry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":cry:"></span>
 

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I had a goldfish with dropsy, and it recovered slowly. I had to do daily salt baths. I didn't realize, but for freshwater fish, salt baths and sometimes adding a little salt to the water can kill off fish diseases that are killed when their osmosis goes haywire.<br><br><br><br>
There are some very specific recipes for salt baths out there and one has to be careful to only expose the fish to salt water where all the salt is dissolved so as not to irritate their skin. Maybe someone here has a betta recipe?<br><br><br><br>
I agree, you don't need to be so cleanly with a fish tank. It's better to only do partial water changes and not mess with the helpful bacteria. They help to break down bad chemical and keep things balanced. All that cleaning might have stressed out the fish or allowed an opening for something to start growing unimpeded by beneficial bacteria. (kind of like how douching can lead to yeast infections)
 

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Thanks for yall's help. I called my dad and he is going to go to the pet store for me and overnight some treatment. He knows about fish so I think he knew what I was talking about. Anyway Ill let ya know how she is doing after I treat her for this. Thanks!!
 

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I had a lot of bettas die of fungus.Seems like the most common cause of betta death, when you keep groups of bettas.<br><br>
Right up with Ivy's petshop betta plague. Whatever THAT illness is, it'll wipe out your whole breeding colony of bettas.
 
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