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So I finally decided that the bus and subway have serviced me to the maximum of their potential and have taken the necessary steps to acquire a driver's licence. If I didn't really want to drive I would have been fine with taking the bus or subway to class and work, but I really like road tripping and need a new way to experience this activity. All of the friends I usually go with have moved to a different city or have gone out of my life.<br><br>
Anyways, what I wanted to rant about was the absurd prices and rules in place to get even a simple learner's permit. I had originally gotten my learner's in high school because it was the "cool" thing to do, but I lived close to school and work and didn't really need a licence to get around. The key to this is that in high school all you had to do to get your learner's was pass the road sign test and pay $35.<br><br>
Fast forward to today and apparently Quebec law states that to get your learner's you need to take a 13 month course AND pay $1000. WTF? It just caught me totally off guard and really hampered a lot of my future plans and finances. Isn't life full of wonderful surprises?<br><br>
Anyone else have learner's/licence horror stories? Are the laws in your state or province committed to highway robbery as well? I suspect the reason they are doing this is to possibly lower the occurrence of accidents by limiting the number of licensed drivers on the road, and of course doing so by making it more difficult and expensive, and weeding out terrible drivers. Honestly though, 13 months? 1k? Sigh.
 

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Gosh no! I dunno though, I suppose it's a good way to weed out all but the most determined. That might not necessarily equate to having lots of good drivers on the Canadian roads though. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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In England you need a privisional (learner's) license which I think cost about £60 when I applied. Price has probably risen. Then you need to take the theory test which was another £80 or so. And then your practical test which I think was also £80ish. If you pass everything you then have a full license.
 

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In California for adults all you have to do is pass a vision test, a written test and a driving test and pay $31. If you're under 18, you also have to have drivers training, drivers education, hold a permit for 6 months and have 50 hours of practice (10 of it at night) with an adult 25 years old or older.<br><br>
Passing the driving test is pretty easy, but sometimes the strangest things can cause you to fail. I had a friend who had someone honk at him for going to slow at the beginning of his test, so he failed. It turned out that if someone honked at you, regardless of the reason, you were automatically failed.<br><br>
On the other hand, I also knew someone who passed after backing into a tree during her test. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"> They said they realized she was nervous, so they didn't count it against her.
 

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Yes.<br><br>
Pass vision and knowledge test, receive permit. Permit costs $50. and is good for 24 months. You have to hold your permit for 9 months before you can get your provisional license. Must go to (a packed) driving school if you have never been issued a license in the state of Maryland which costs $350. @ 10 classes for 3 hours. Pass final exam. Minimum 60 hours supervised road time with a licensed driver, 6 hours with driving school instructor.<br><br>
If you receive a moving violation, it's a 9 months restart period after suspension (which could be 90 days) is withdrawn and 1 point penalty. If you've been moving violation free for 9 months you can schedule a driving test <i>over the computer</i> (can't call anymore, everyone is too busy for everything) go to the MVA with your conformation number on the day you were scheduled, pay $45. Pass the driving skills test, get your provisional license.<br><br>
Hold you provisional license 18 months moving violation free and revocation free and your provisional license is automatically converted to a full license. You get mailed an attachment card showing a change in the licensing status until the license expires.<br><br>
If you receive a moving violation after you have been issued your provisional license, it is an 18 month restart period. You have to attend a driver's improvement class (another couple hundred) on your first offense, receive a suspension on a second offense and a third offense revocation or PBJ- Probation before judgement.<br><br>
ETA: I'm now in the process of waiting for the instructor's call to get those 6 hours driving in so I can schedule the driving test.
 

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Hee. I'm just going through the process here in England. It's a pain, but not too outrageous. There is some silliness though, in that people from the other EEA countries can just come and trade their licenses in, no training/tests/nada, even though they drive on the right too. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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wow and i've been upset now that they're requiring a social security card and a birth certificate to renew my license.
 

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Hee. I'm just going through the process here in England. It's a pain, but not too outrageous. There is some silliness though, in that people from the other EEA countries can just come and trade their licenses in, no training/tests/nada, even though they drive on the right too. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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are you able to use public transporation well enough to get around? i had always labored under the illusion that england had great public transportation. angie says no.
 

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We are able to use it for the most part, though it was a big factor in choosing where exactly we lived. If we were in a smaller village/town, it would be virtually impossible. Buses have gotten the axe around these parts at least, since we've lived here.<br><br>
We have a car sharing scheme operating in Oxford now, so I'm hoping to be licensed to use their cars occasionally. I might drive a bit in the job as well.
 

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It was no hassle at all here. I passed the written test the first time and only failed the drivers' test once, and only because I'm convinced the instructor lady was an evil lizard person wearing a human skin suit.
 

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I'm so glad I got my license over 15 years ago. It seems it just gets more complicated and expensive every year.<br>
And Kris-if you think it's a pain in the a** process and costly just to get a license and permit, just wait till you buy a car.
 

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speaking of cars, i changed my truck's oil yesterday, left to drive to town today and i noticed smoke behind me. stopped on the side of the road and there is oil dripping and smoking like hell from my engine. i turned around and made it home without an oil light coming on, smoke billowing from behind. i ruined the clothes i had on with oil all over them when i got down to look at it. it's too hot to touch now, but i am betting anything that when i took the old oil filter off, the gasket stayed on <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">. so i put the new filter on over the old gasket (bad idea). i'll know in a couple of hours. damn.
 

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speaking of cars, i changed my truck's oil yesterday, left to drive to town today and i noticed smoke behind me. stopped on the side of the road and there is oil dripping and smoking like hell from my engine. i turned around and made it home without an oil light coming on, smoke billowing from behind. i ruined the clothes i had on with oil all over them when i got down to look at it. it's too hot to touch now, but i am betting anything that when i took the old oil filter off, the gasket stayed on <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">. so i put the new filter on over the old gasket (bad idea). i'll know in a couple of hours. damn.</div>
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That sucks <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">. It's always something with cars.
 

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That sucks <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">. It's always something with cars.</div>
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went to the garbage, checked the old filter, and yep, no gasket. 25 dollars worth of sythetic oil all over the road. **** me. what a dumbass.
 

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i realize fuel costs more than in the u.s., but do you earn more than you would in the u.s. to offset this?</div>
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you have to compare a lot of other things too. If I didn't have to buy my health insurance on a private plan myself and still pay a lot for services (because even the best individual insurance is still pretty crappy, despite being really expensive), I'd have a lot more money to pay more for taxes and gas. I'm pretty sure I would come out ahead.
 

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Glad you didn't burn out your engine at least, pm.<br><br>
re: cost of living. Of course, it varies by specific situation, but the cost of living is definitely higher in most of England (save some spots in the north particularly) than most places I've experienced in America. Gas and food and most "stuffs" are more expensive. I'm not sure it's too significant though, except in the area of housing. When I look at what we could buy/rent in the US compared to here, it kills me sometimes. We are in one of the cheapest spots in our area too. Yeah..now I'm getting really off track.<br><br>
Driving licence...just a few lessons and I should be on my way!
 

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It's pretty involved where I live if you can be bothered reading it.<br><br>
At 16, you can apply for your learner's permit. That involves taking a computer-based theory test. If you pass that with 100% you then pay $30 and get issued with a learners permit. You then have to undertake 50 hrs of supervised driving (inc. 10 at night). You can then opt to pay $280 to take a driving test.<br><br>
Or, you can choose to do "competency-based training" AKA the "log book system" which involves taking between 10-15 lessons with a qualified driving instructor who instructs you on how to do the manoeuvres you need to pass. When you can perform the tasks correctly under his/her instruction, you are marked off as proficient. At the end of that, you pay about $120 and you will then be informally assessed on a half hour drive which you either pass or fail.<br><br>
After you've passed either the driving test or competency-based training, you pay a further $70 and get issued with your Provisional licence known as your "P plates". You can then drive by yourself on a P-plate for a full year during which time you have to behave extremely well, i.e. no speeding, no dangerous driving, no getting busted with drugs or alcohol in your system, else you will be stripped of your provisional licence and get demoted to your "learner's" again.<br><br>
If you go ok on P1's, you can then progress to P2 which you will remain on for another year. After that year is up you take a hazard peception test, if you pass that, then you will be issued with a full license containing 12 points. Any time you commit any kind of driving offense you can lose a few points on your licence. If you lose all 12 through driving offenses you can be demoted to P-plates and you will have to start the process again.<br><br>
It's a bit of a P.I.T.A but it's done because young drivers in Aus have always had access to muscle cars with powerful engines and that coupled with little sense of mortality and you have trouble.
 

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It was an absurd ordeal in my country, and took 3 years from learners to full thanks to my problems with misinterpreting the questions on the written test (ambiguous wording), and my general problem with multitasking leading me to give up the idea of manual driving all together and get an automatic car to learn in.<br><br>
But where I am, the public transport is crud, you need a car otherwise you end up taking forever to get anywhere, unless you live in the central suburbs.
 

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i remember when i got my license. i knocked all the cones down when i parallel parked. passed though <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">. to be honest, people won't ride with me when i 'm driving. i don't understand it. i might drive a little fast and cut a few corners, but i'm still a safe driver.
 
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