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Aww ****. I just know this is kinda legislation is gonna start being passed everywhere now.
 

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What kind of laughably stupid rationalizations are they attempting to provide for this move?<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>rancher person</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
"As a livestock producer, I want people to feel if they see something going on, this bill empowers them," said Sweeney, an Alden Republican and a rancher.</div>
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Yeah right.. as a livestock producer, I'm sure you want to be reported, that's so beneficial for your reputation and interests. Transparency in farming must be your top desire and priority.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Sevenseas</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2841150"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
What kind of laughably stupid rationalizations are they attempting to provide for this move?<br><br>
Yeah right.. as a livestock producer, I'm sure you want to be reported, that's so beneficial for your reputation and interests. Transparency in farming must be your top desire and priority.</div>
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When I saw that, I hurt my brain trying to figure out how that made any sense at all.
 

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This still has to pass in the senate - (which sadly, it likely will) but I'm checking into seeing if I can go speak with those who oppose this bull****.<br><br>
This is shameful. Reprehensible. Nauseating.
 

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Is Terry Branstad a cool guy? Tell me he's a cool guy. If it passes through the senate (hopefully most of the senate isn't like <a href="http://www3.legis.state.ia.us/ga/member.do?id=30&ga=82" target="_blank">this guy in the House</a>), he needs to be cool and not sign it.<br><br><br>
Fat chance, but still...
 

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There is no way this could possibly stand up to a legal challenge. Even the conservative Supreme Court we have now would toss this law out the window as a violation of the First Amendment so fast it'll give those ranchers whiplash.<br><br>
--Fromper<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/juggle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":juggle:">
 

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Okay, remember when I said the US scare me sometimes? Triple that.<br><br>
Also, can someone explain that quote to me? Maybe it's because I'm not a native-speaker, but it's really nonsensical to me.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">As a livestock producer, I want people to feel if they see something going on, this bill empowers them," said Sweeney, an Alden Republican and a rancher.</div>
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So he wants people to feel it when they see something that is going on? And somehow the bill helps? I'm really confused.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Kjesta</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2841318"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Okay, remember when I said the US scare me sometimes? Triple that.<br><br>
Also, can someone explain that quote to me? Maybe it's because I'm not a native-speaker, but it's really nonsensical to me.<br><br><br><br>
So he wants people to feel it when they see something that is going on? And somehow the bill helps? I'm really confused.</div>
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I think it means that if people see things going on in the farms, that this bill will encourage them to report it, rather than film and release it.<br><br>
(But after reading many articles, the chance of the authorities actually doing something without a viral publicity are slim to none. Even with a video sometimes things are never done, or just kicked under the rug. Especially if money is involved.)
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Kjesta</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2841318"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Okay, remember when I said the US scare me sometimes? Triple that.<br><br>
Also, can someone explain that quote to me? Maybe it's because I'm not a native-speaker, but it's really nonsensical to me.</div>
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Quote is as genuine as free speech zones and in just as close proximity to the target.
 

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If people are secretly filming videos, they have to be discreet about it. How can this possibly be enforced if nobody actually notices anyone filming anything?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Puppet Master</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2841196"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Is Terry Branstad a cool guy? Tell me he's a cool guy. If it passes through the senate (hopefully most of the senate isn't like <a href="http://www3.legis.state.ia.us/ga/member.do?id=30&ga=82" target="_blank">this guy in the House</a>), he needs to be cool and not sign it.<br><br><br>
Fat chance, but still...</div>
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Terry Branstad is not a cool guy. He is the <i>fat chance</i> that would sign this bill into law.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Amy SF</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2841643"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
If people are secretly filming videos, they have to be discreet about it. How can this possibly be enforced if nobody actually notices anyone filming anything?</div>
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I think this just means that if you work undercover at a slaughterhouse and secretly film evildoings for PETA or whomever, that they can prosecute you. They are banking that this will keep individuals from engaging in such activity. Perhaps it also means whatever footage is obtained - no matter what atrocities are filmed / uncovered - that this evidence cannot be used in court because it was obtained illegally.
 

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I think we're taking the wrong approach towards this.<br>
Say they win this in Iowa - and maybe Florida. We'll give 'em Florida. That doesn't mean they win flat out. For one thing, no offense to anyone from there, but who cares about Iowa? It's Iowa. Now, before, and if, this sort of law spreads to other states, all they have is 2 states out of 50. That means, in the other 48, we have the freedom to make these videos, and there's already a pretty good stock of them as is. Not to mention, it seems the law applies only to videotaping. There's a pretty good literary exposé by Gail Eisnitz, called Slaughterhouse - though I do admit, video is stronger evidence.<br>
But what I'm really get at, is that they're making is a hazardous statement.<br>
They're not keeping down the animal activist, they're raising the question:<br>
What is the meat industry trying to hide?<br><br>
I know, for one, that this is an angle I would exploit mercilessly.<br>
They can go ahead and take Iowa - it only adds steam to our side.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>imdead-goaway</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2842635"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I think we're taking the wrong approach towards this.<br>
Say they win this in Iowa - and maybe Florida. We'll give 'em Florida. That doesn't mean they win flat out. For one thing, no offense to anyone from there, but who cares about Iowa? It's Iowa.</div>
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Yeah. <i><a href="http://www.factoryfarmmap.org/#animal:all;location:IA;year:2007" target="_blank">It's IOWA.</a></i><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Now, before, and if, this sort of law spreads to other states, all they have is 2 states out of 50. That means, in the other 48, we have the freedom to make these videos, and there's already a pretty good stock of them as is. Not to mention, it seems the law applies only to videotaping.</div>
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Subtract the number of states with wiretapping laws that prevent audio recording unless both/all parties give prior consent. That's your remaining number. What you're <b>really left with</b> is written, UCI field notes and some hand-drawn sketches.
 

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You have some good points, but in regards to<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>sorrowthepig</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2843205"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Yeah. <i><a href="http://www.factoryfarmmap.org/#animal:all;location:IA;year:2007" target="_blank">It's IOWA.</a></i><br><br>
Subtract the number of states with wiretapping laws that prevent audio recording unless both/all parties give prior consent. That's your remaining number. What you're <b>really left with</b> is written, UCI field notes and some hand-drawn sketches.</div>
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It's great when the law is on your side. When you don't, it's a bit of roadblock, but it doesn't mean you can't take action. It doesn't matter whether or not the videos were recorded legally, once they're viral, they're not easy to kill.<br>
While it may cause problems with usability of evidence in a courtroom, I'm pretty sure most of the people who were affected by the video exposés wouldn't reverse their opinions because the evidence wasn't attained legally.<br><br>
And, on the recording laws...<br>
"At least 24 states have laws outlawing certain uses of hidden cameras in private places, although many of the laws are specifically limited to attempts to record nudity. Also, many of the statutes concern unattended hidden cameras, not cameras hidden on a person engaged in a conversation."<br>
( <a href="http://www.rcfp.org/taping/" target="_blank">http://www.rcfp.org/taping/</a> )<br>
The numbers can be limiting, but journalism is journalism, and it'll always be protected, especially in more progressive states.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Dedalus</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2842249"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Terry Branstad is not a cool guy. He is the <i>fat chance</i> that would sign this bill into law.</div>
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<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> Woe.
 

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How can this possibly be enforced if nobody actually notices anyone filming anything?</div>
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I don't know if I'm right or not, but here what I'm thinking: they might not be able to do anything about the person filming (especially if they don't know who did it), but they could use this new law to suppress the videos from being used as evidence or simply say there will be no investigation because this video should not have been made in the first place.<br><br>
This new law is undoubtedly because the meat industry is bribing some legislators. That's how the system work in America.
 

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It is unconstitutional to criminalize whistle-blowing (of which video can be a part). This law will never hold up under scrutiny by the higher courts. This is America, NOT China!
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Puppet Master</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2841196"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Is Terry Branstad a cool guy? Tell me he's a cool guy. If it passes through the senate (hopefully most of the senate isn't like <a href="http://www3.legis.state.ia.us/ga/member.do?id=30&ga=82" target="_blank">this guy in the House</a>), he needs to be cool and not sign it.<br><br><br>
Fat chance, but still...</div>
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No. Not at all a cool guy. Worst thing to happen to politics in Iowa (again).
 
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