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This is my introduction as well as a plea for help :p I hope you don't mind me being so forward in my first post.<br><br>
I'm a 27yo mother of two (preschoolers) and I have a husband. I have always believed that humans are omnivorous (and still do believe this), but over the last year to have been educated in what really goes on in our farming industry here in lil' old New Zealand. Battery hens, sow crates, free range isn't much better in terms of animal suffering and the dairy industry is awful <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br><br>
The more I learn the more sick I feel. But I'm having trouble consolodating my beliefs and my lifestyle. If I lived alone I'd be vegan, but at the moment I can't bring myself to 'force' my family to go along with me. THough I do believe that we raise our kids to follow our own beliefs (untill they grow up and argue with us LOL) so there's nothing wrong with it AND they would probably be healthier for it to be honest.<br><br>
I guess what i'm finding hard is the dairy side of things. My boy is a rather picky eater and lives off cheese and milk mainly. There aren't any ethical options to replace this - unless I go for soy/rice milk which is very expensive.<br><br>
I did grocery shopping today and we can live OK with a vegetarian diet with dairy included (no eggs)<br><br>
I need help with delicious recipes for kids, encouragement that I'm doing the right thing (sometimes I feel so small and feel it wont make any difference anyway <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:">).<br><br>
I'm just so muddled and upset <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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Living off of cheese and milk is really unhealthy...if you have access to it, please watch Forks Over Knives. My husband used to be a "bread and cheese itarian" (a vegetarian who ate no veggies) and his cholesterol and triglycerides were sky high from that. He eats a much more balanced diet now -- we both do. The cost of the soy/rice milk is worth it if it balances out the cost of health issues later on or issues that could shorten his life, right? Do you have Aldi in NZ? Do they have soy milk? They do at the ones in the U.S. and it's very reasonably priced, and organic.<br><br>
I have spaghetti & meatballs in my Crock Pot right now...using Nate's Meatless Meatballs. There are prepackaged ones or you can make your own. All you need is pasta sauce, water (equal parts), enough meatballs for everyone, and 2 oz of pasta for everyone. Put the sauce and water in the cooker and stir it together. Drop in the meatballs. Cook on high for an hour or two to warm throughout, then break the spaghetti into 4ths (or use a smaller pasta), stir it in, and continue cooking until the pasta is done (about 30 min-1 hour). SUPER easy and very kid friendly. The meatless meatballs do get a bit crumbly but not too bad.
 

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He's not living ONLY on cheese and milk,but he does eat lots. He's 2 years old and eats:sandwhiches, banana, strawberries, chips, weetbix with milk, toast with cheese on it, yoghurt, umm some other stuff I think but I can't remember LOL. We're working with a paediatrician at the moment as he has a couple of special needs/delays.<br><br>
My daughter will eat almost anything so that's no problem <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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You ARE/will make a difference! Even if it is only the difference of peace of mind and your health.
 

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I'm also a new vegetarian and have three kids and a husband who think I've gone off the deep end lol. I do all the cooking/meal planning/shopping/packing school and work lunches. When I decided to become a vegetarian I knew my family would not be interested (at first at least), and I'm not going to cause household stress/fighting over it. So for now I still prepare meat dishes for them and then make slightly modified versions that are meatless for me. As I get more comfortable eating this way I'll start introducing small changes for my family (I've already switched everyone to whole grain bread and that's gone over well). I am hoping by me being positive, not pushy, and consistent in eating vegetarian, that eventually my family will also become vegetarian.<br><br>
I'm still eating dairy and eggs but I am working on reducing dairy. Cheese is a huge staple in our family (we can easily go through 5+lbs of shredded and a couple pounds of block cheese each month). Since I'm just starting out on this journey I've decided to put off dealing with eliminating that for a while. Right now I get some of it organic and local (from a farm that treats their animals really well), so I will probably start weaning us off the store bought stuff first and then the farm made stuff last. It's all about baby steps <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> Eggs we get from my in-laws hobby farm so I'm not in any hurry to get rid of those (the chickens are treated like pets lol). My kids are young so I could decide for them that they are now vegetarian, but I know they would be unhappy with the abrupt change, and it would not go over well with my husband at all. So for me little changes will work best, and in a year's time we'll see where we're at <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Thanks for the support <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br>
Th eone great thing is that I normally cook meat and three veg which is fairly boring so if I replace it with a delicious veg meal that has a decent amount of protein (ie lentils, beans or the like) then my family will probably be happier!<br><br>
I discussed it at length with hubby and said that because I do all the shopping anyway, and his breakfast/lunch are meatfree already, would he really mind if I made yummy veg meals and he liked the idea. I think he'd hate to call himself a vegetarian and if there was a meat meal available at work then he'd eat it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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It can be extremely cheap to make your own milk, especially if you do it from rice or oats. It's not that difficult, but it doesn't store long in the fridge. I don't think you can even tell it isn't an animal's milk if you are using it on something like cereal.<br><br>
You might be interested in the <a href="http://vegandad.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Vegan Dad blog</a>. It has lots of kid-friendly recipes like faux chicken nuggets, luncheon meats, pizza, etc.
 

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Thanks MOJO!!!! I just googles rice milk recipes and it's so amazingly awesomely cheap and neat! Goodness I hope it tastes OK! LOL!!
 

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I can't help you with the kid recipes. However, I really wanted to join in here to throw you some emotional support. I believe that what you have decided to do is just awesome, wonderful and healthy, both physically and spiritually. If milk were an issue I'd try hemp milk. I personally like it.<br><br>
When I was a kid my dad always grew a huge garden. So, by default we were vegetarians most of the time. I learned to love veggies. I guess that's a big reason why I'm a vegetarian today. I love vegetables. I think what I'm saying here is that your children will follow your example. With my dad it was just excepted that he would grow this huge garden and that we would be eating vegetables pretty much all year. I look back with great fondness to those years, fresh, wonderful, delicious veggies for dinner and a sprig of mint in my tea glass. A little slice of heaven.<br><br>
My parents were excited about eating this way and got us involved in it. Yea, I wasn't thrilled about working in the garden. It was hot as hell out some days. But, I learned how to grow a garden and harvest good foods that the family would be eating for dinner. I took some pride in that. Watching the seed become this bounty of really tasty food. I remember one year I planted tomato seeds in paper egg cartons. My dad helped me out, showed me what to do. We grew the seeds into small plants indoors. Then we went out to the garden, tilled the earth, got it right, made a hole and transplanted the plants. He and I looked after those tomato plants, staked them out with some twine between the stakes, and watered them when it got too dry. That year we had these big, red, juicy, wonderful, tomatoes. One slice would fill a piece of bread. Add a little mayonnaise, some salt and pepper. Oh man! That's an awesome sandwich. In my book there's nothing on this planet that taste better.<br><br>
Anyway, it's a process with kids. My parents made it an experience. My mom grew an herb garden, mint, dill, etc.. Every year she would make a great many jars of pickles and use the herbs from her garden. We had the best dill pickles in the world. Mom would have me go and select the cucumbers and the herbs (Once I had demonstrated that I knew what to pick. A process that took a couple of seasons.). Then she would do the pickling. I ate every pickle with a sense of pride because I helped grow those things. We canned and froze produce that we grew to last all year. I remember dreading when we would have to eat veggies out of a store bought can.<br><br>
Anyway, this is totally doable. I want to encourage you. Will there occasionally be some push back? Sure. Hang in there. Keep variety in, make sure there's starches there for texture and energy. Go real light on sugar. I think that you will raise kids that will be aware of what a healthy meal and a healthy planet looks like.
 

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THanks for your support <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> It's great that you still value that from your childhood <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br>
When my daughter was about 2 I had a decent veggie garden. For her morning tea she'd just wander through the garden and eat beans, peas, parsley, a stalk of rhubarb etc.. so awesome. It's probably why she's a fantastic eater now and my son is terrible! hahaa<br><br>
Since the quakes my garden has gone to the dogs - the ever present fear of another quake and the liquefaction that can destroy a garden in a day is offputting. But in saying that, I just planted a couple of lettuces with my daughter because she loves gardening so much!<br><br>
I figure if I'm introducing tasty meals there's no problem! We're having falafel in pita pockets with salad and hummus tonight <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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My husband might get sick of me smelling like garlic <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"> hehehehee
 

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It can be extremely cheap to make your own milk, especially if you do it from rice or oats. It's not that difficult, but it doesn't store long in the fridge. I don't think you can even tell it isn't an animal's milk if you are using it on something like cereal.<br><br>
You might be interested in the <a href="http://vegandad.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Vegan Dad blog</a>. It has lots of kid-friendly recipes like faux chicken nuggets, luncheon meats, pizza, etc.</div>
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Just checked out Vegan Dad-wow do his recipes look yummy! Thanks for the link <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Will there occasionally be some push back? Sure.</div>
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Seconded. Like you wouldn't believe. But it's worth it.
 

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you've gotten some great responses so far! Vegan Dad's site is terrific, and if they like homemade bread, I can totally vouch for his country cinnamon raisin bread, amongst other things <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
If you would, would you listen to a monolog/ call in session by Dr Furhman? He's a Dr here in America. I find this info totally fascinating...it's about how kids diets cause adult cancer, and it's set in motion by the age of 10...so you have plenty of time to try to change his taste buds! go to this page, use the left hand scroll bar, then listen to the lecture by that name, it's the 6th one up from the bottom. Please listen to this for yourself and your family's health! <a href="http://www.drfuhrman.com/voiceamerica/nutritional_wisdom.htm" target="_blank">http://www.drfuhrman.com/voiceameric...nal_wisdom.htm</a>
 

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I've had similar issues along my journey. I went cold turkey vegetarian(I was eating eggs so not vegan but nearly) in my high school years and then was told I was mildly anemic so I ended up returning to eating animal protein(except milk, yuck) which hasn't shown to really change the iron levels being a tad under normal. Probably because I've never liked the taste of red meat at all. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"><br><br>
Its been really tricky shortly after my daughter was born I got the urge to once again go vegetarian in a healthy way. A couple weeks later my husband veto'd it was not feeling energetic enough we never had the chance to get into cooking and stuff to learn to reach proper protein consistently. The first time, in high school, I just skipped the meat offering at my dinner. My lunch was usually a bean burrito as that was often the only thing on school lunch menu that was meat free. Happy to know our city's public schools now offer a salad bar daily no matter what lunch option you choose from the hot line. Too bad I pulled my daughter out of the public traditional(zoned) school and put her in a charter where they do not have that and very little even sounds that healthy.<br><br>
Currently I'm separated from my husband(have been for 4 years, I know I need to just get it legally done on paper) and living with my brother both omnis set on their animal protein is only way they can not feel tired ways. Its a struggle to always plan meals that I can keep ingredients separate so I can enjoy a vegetarian option. I've been working on learning new recipes and prep technique but often get frustrated and throw in the towel for a week or weeks thinking I'll wait till I'm moved out of my brother's house to eliminate all animal stuff and then say I'll try again. I feel bad each time. Even my daughter does not like how animals are treated.<br><br>
I agree with some of the advice greatly. Just keep eating the fresh foods/produce and your kids will pick it up. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> My mom grew gardens most of my childhood or received abundance shares from friends and so we ate a lot of veggies/fruit other kids wouldn't. I don't have a problem getting my brother to eat those veggies but the idea of cooking two meals(in a sense) is emotionally hard. The it goes on to be emotionally hard to realize what I'm contributing towards. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 
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