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My parents live on a small farm (<20 acres), which they use largely to run a dog kennel (which I do not approve). However, my mother has always liked the idea of a farm, so she has 30-40 chickens, peacocks, ducks and geese all roaming about the farm. The chickens are able to go about wherever they please; they're not kept in cages, and if the weather gets bad they can easily find shelter.<br><br><br><br>
With all this in mind, I feel no guilt whatsoever in taking their eggs. These chickens do not suffer, so by eating their eggs I am not causing any harm. I know these eggs are actually "free-range"; they're not just labeled as such.<br><br><br><br>
I'm willing to reconsider, but I just felt like owning up to it. I've been a vegan for over a year/
 

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Well, it's entirely up to you...really!<br><br>
I've heard that some chickens are distressed if their eggs are taken away from them.<br><br>
Is that true?
 

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I'm just curious, are these fertilized eggs? When I was transitioning away from buying eggs at the grocery store, I bought some fresh farm eggs, thinking that was the way to go. But after cracking one open that had obviously been on the way to making something inside it, I was horrified. *shudders* It really hit me that that egg was supposed to grow into a chicken - and I don't eat chicken. That's when I decided that I don't eat eggs either.
 

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Yes, I agree with Poppy, for me eggs are unborn chickens.
 

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You also wouldn't cause any further harm, ethically, by picking hamburgers out of the garbage or grilling up roadkill either.<br><br><br><br>
Have fun, I guess.
 

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You also wouldn't cause any further harm, ethically, by picking hamburgers out of the garbage or grilling up roadkill either.<br><br><br><br>
Have fun, I guess.</div>
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what a dick.
 

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I'm curious as to why you'd want to eat the eggs. Is it a craving of some sort?<br><br><br><br>
The absence of guilt seems an odd reason.
 

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I'm curious as to why you'd want to eat the eggs. Is it a craving of some sort?<br><br><br><br>
The absence of guilt seems an odd reason.</div>
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Perhaps a desire for more cholesterol? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:">
 

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What was your original reason for stopping eating them and what made you want to start eating them again?<br><br><br><br>
Is it just a taste-craving or perhaps you're missing something from your diet?
 

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Is it just the eggs at your mother's place? Or will you be going back to eating products that have eggs in them?<br><br>
I understand your logic, but I guess since I've discovered the art of a good tofu scramble, I don't crave eggs anymore. I don't need them.<br><br>
(Poppy--EWWWWWWWWW that gave me the willies!).
 

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I'm surprised no one's asked where your mother gets the chickens. One thing to consider is that for every female chicken that's kept around to lay eggs, there's a male that's eaten instead of being allowed to live, because it isn't "useful".<br><br><br><br>
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Is it just the eggs at your mother's place? Or will you be going back to eating products that have eggs in them?</div>
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It's just the eggs that come from my mother's farm. I'm still bothered by animal suffering, and I believe that a vegan diet is the best way to alleviate it. However, since the eggs I get aren't a contributor to it, there's no reason to refuse to eat them.<br><br><br><br>
A big reason I started eating them was financial: I'm poor, and the eggs are free. (Plus, I'm a lousy cook, and it's a lot easier to cook eggs than a tofu scrambler).<br><br><br><br>
I'm moving in June to go to Law School, so this will only last for another couple of months, so for those who disagree with my decision, take solace in the fact that it'll only be for a few months.
 

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I'm surprised no one's asked where your mother gets the chickens. One thing to consider is that for every female chicken that's kept around to lay eggs, there's a male that's eaten instead of being allowed to live, because it isn't "useful".<br><br><br><br>
--Fromper<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/juggle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":juggle:"></div>
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<br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:"> just what I was thinking.
 

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I'm just curious, are these fertilized eggs? When I was transitioning away from buying eggs at the grocery store, I bought some fresh farm eggs, thinking that was the way to go. But after cracking one open that had obviously been on the way to making something inside it, I was horrified. *shudders* It really hit me that that egg was supposed to grow into a chicken - and I don't eat chicken. That's when I decided that I don't eat eggs either.</div>
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Unless the chickens have been fertilized there isn't any chance of the egg becoming a chick, as it's a single cell. It's the equivilent of a giant version of those lovely cells that drop out of women once a month.
 

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davoarid - since you can see that the chickens are happy and unharmed, I see no problem with your decision to eat their eggs. Just so long as you avoid the "slippery slope" that might lead you to eating an omelet at Denny's.<br><br><br><br>
Fromper does bring up a good point though. Where does your mom get her egg-laying hens? I used to eat Organic Valley eggs until I realized that they purchased their hens from a mainstream hatchery, the very kind that "disposes" of their male chicks. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/bigcry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":cry:"> I realized that supporting them was indirectly supporting the disposal of male chicks, and I just couldn't do that anymore.
 

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Like said previous, eggs are unborn chickens. You are taking lives.</div>
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Okay, basic biology - an egg is just an egg until it is fertilized by the male. Humans keep their eggs inside until they are fertilized and then excrete them once a month if they are not fertilized (i.e. menstrual periods). Hens lay their unfertilized eggs and that is what most people eat. A male would have to sit on it and fertilize it for it to become an unborn chicken. If you ever got a fertilized egg, you would know it because you would crack it open and there would actually be a tiny baby chick starting to grow in there. Someone posted pics of one of these on this board awhile back...
 

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Okay, basic biology - an egg is just an egg until it is fertilized by the male. Humans keep their eggs inside until they are fertilized and then excrete them once a month if they are not fertilized (i.e. menstrual periods). Hens lay their unfertilized eggs and that is what most people eat. A male would have to sit on it and fertilize it for it to become an unborn chicken. If you ever got a fertilized egg, you would know it because you would crack it open and there would actually be a tiny baby chick starting to grow in there. Someone posted pics of one of these on this board awhile back...</div>
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I think that's the way fish roe is fertilized... Birds do mate. My mum used to have lovebirds and I've seen them doing their stuff. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
"Birds, like mammals, use internal fertilization. Many species of birds lack a penis; instead, the male just has a genital opening (cloaca), which must be positioned against the female's genital opening (also called a cloaca) for sperm transfer. Male chickens, however, do have a small penis to facilitate mating. In any case, after copulation, which only lasts a few seconds, the sperm quickly swim up the oviduct toward the ovary. The sperm can stay alive in the oviduct for several weeks, ready to fertilize the next egg cell (oocyte) that appears."<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.hhmi.org/cgi-bin/askascientist/highlight.pl?kw=&file=answers%2Fgeneral%2Fans_023.html" target="_blank">http://www.hhmi.org/cgi-bin/askascie...2Fans_023.html</a><br><br><br><br>
And the eggs eaten by humans are unfertilized. The OP is not taking a chick's life when eating them...
 

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Like said previous, eggs are unborn chickens. You are taking lives.</div>
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If you apply that logic to things like the menstrual cycle, you just sound silly. It's like saying that sperm are unborn babies.<br><br><br><br>
It all depends on why you ethically chose to stop eating eggs. It all really comes down to how you feel about it. If you don't feel guilty, then it's a good decision for you until the time comes when you won't eat them anymore.<br><br><br><br>
Although, needless to say...I wouldn't eat meat if we had raised it on my property with a good full and free-range life. But, to me, eggs are slightly different. *is not a vegan yet*
 
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