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Ok, I really need to get this off my chest before I explode at a friend, family member or colleague. I am sick to death of everyone acting like they are such HUUUGE animal lovers because they post stuff on Facebook about ending puppy farming. NO, YOU ARE A DOG LOVER. Which is great and all, but don't prattle on about animal welfare when you are eating their flesh on a daily basis. And then, ESPECIALLY, do not make me feel like I'm preaching or making you uncomfortable or of all things UPSETTING YOU when I talk about Vegetarianism and the truth behind where that steak/piece of bacon/chicken fillet came from. FKLSFJKLHFKHFD!!!!!!!!!!<br><br>
I'm sure this has been posted a million times, but I don't care, I need to vent, I'm sick of it and I'm angry and quite frankly, with not many veg*n friends, I feel completely and utterly alone.<br><br>
I am connected to a lot of dog/cat lovers who take relentless action to help those two particular animals, and don't get me wrong I'm glad there are people out there who are helping... but some of the things that are said... I have to try SO hard not to snap their heads off. I know I will come across as, well, a vegetarian. Because you know, all we do is preach and try and convert everyone. Everyone seems to either be completely uncomfortable around me when food's involved, or they just ignore my beliefs, like the women I work with, telling me about their delicious steaks from the night before? What am I meant to say? I damn well won't say "Sounds delicious, I am so glad you enjoyed it" but I sure as hell can't say "Here's what that cow went through for you to enjoy your dinner..." either. I just have to nod, like a weak idiot, for the sake of keeping the peace.<br><br>
One lady at work who constantly claims to be a "real animal person" actually made this statement the other day:<br>
Woman -- "I think it's great that this guy [a man who runs a company that slaughters buffalo] has pictures of him and his buffalo on his website. Look at this one! He's giving the buffalo a kiss!"<br>
-- Another lady looks at her weirdly --<br>
Woman -- "Oh come on, you know you go home and cuddle your dog!"<br>
Me -- "SHE DOESN'T KILL HIM AFTERWARDS."<br>
Woman -- *awkward silence*... "As a real animal person, I think it's great."<br><br>
...<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":huh:"><br><br>
She has ham on her sandwich every day, and when she brings in one of the 500 recipe magazines she is subscribed too, she picks out the meatiest dishes to gush over.<br><br>
I am coming up to 1 year of being vegetarian, I hope it gets easier to deal with these people.
 

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Put this cat on<br>
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That one pisses me off all the time
 

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I hear ya, people are frustrating. Nothing wrong with venting <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I have one friend who absolutely loves animals. She truly does care deeply for each and every one she encounters, not just cats and dogs. Sadly, her compassion extends only to <i>live</i> ones. In the same breath she will talk about what she is doing to get into veterinary school and make snide remarks about my vegetarianism.<br><br>
However, I don't blame her. There is just a disconnect between the chipmunks she gushes over in her yard and the chickens she eats. Hopefully they will be reconnected when she begins her veterinary studies.
 

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The thing that bothers me the most is when the SPCA sells hot dogs to raise money.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wall.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":wall:">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>amhappy1</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2952929"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
The thing that bothers me the most is when the SPCA sells hot dogs to raise money.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wall.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":wall:"></div>
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What? For real? I mean, I had always assumed that a large chunk of SPCA supporters would be omnivorous, because, well, look at the general population but seriously? <i>C'mon</i>! FFS... *grumble*
 

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Doublethink is the foundation of modern society <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> This extends far beyond vegetarianism and animal rights.<br><br><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325&tag=veggieboards.com-20&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2F1984-Signet-Classics-George-Orwell%2Fdp%2F0451524934" target="_blank">1984</a><br><br>
"To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself -- that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink."
 

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People are ridiculous.
 

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well as someone who ate meat most of her life and loved animals, including the farm ones forever i understand why these people are like that. not only it is easy not to think about where that ham comes from, people also believe that eating meat is part of nature and telling people not to eat meat is the same as telling it to a wolf. i am not saying i agree with this now, i just understand why people can eat meat and love animals<br><br>
it just irritates me if people who advocate helping cats would speak badly about people who advocate well being of farm animals and would call them preachy etc.
 

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I think the key is to just not get worked up about it. We don't live in a veg*n world, and when I get worked up about stuff like this I find myself getting angry at every little thing I heard or saw like this, because using animals for food and torture and all these awful things is slightly built into society. It's okay to be passionate, but sometimes when you let yourself get angry about little things you'll just end up turning too negative. In situations like this, with "animal lovers", I just look at them as people who may possibly go veg*n one day. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> I used to be an omni "animal lover" who would get defensive and snide about veg*nism, but one day I woke up.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>nomad888</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2952950"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Doublethink is the foundation of modern society <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> This extends far beyond vegetarianism and animal rights.<br><br><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325&tag=veggieboards.com-20&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2F1984-Signet-Classics-George-Orwell%2Fdp%2F0451524934" target="_blank">1984</a><br><br>
"To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself -- that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink."</div>
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Hmmm...I agree that it's frustrating, but have you ever tried just talking to her about it? Not in a preachy, judgmental way, but in a friendly conversational way. Something like, "Hey, I know you really like animals. So do I. What are your favorite animal welfare/rights groups? I love the Humane Society too! Did you know that their CEO is a vegan?..." and let it flow from there. Or maybe try bringing in some delicious veg*n food to share with her. Another tactic that I've had crazy success with is to just leave a Vegan Outreach booklet lying around. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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I understand your frustration, but I said exactly the same thing when I ate meat and thought of myself as an animal lover. The only diff being, I woke up to realise the hypocrisy of saying that. Hopefully more people will. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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While current omni culture can be frustrating, and we may be angered by those around us, there are millions and millions of people around the world who are already in a position to make a change if they're exposed to the right information. Just look at the work groups like Vegan Outreach does, or <a href="http://ar.vegnews.org/vegan.html" target="_blank">Eugene's facebook ad</a> that's convinced thousands of people to give up meat.<br><br>
Most of the vegans who will ever live won't be born until after we're all dead, but that doesn't mean we can't help pave the way during our lifetime. It's easy to get frustrated but just a few hours out of your life every year can contribute to <a href="http://www.veganoutreach.org/advocacy/meaningfullife.html" target="_blank">a meaningful life.</a> Consider these words. There's truth in that essay.
 

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Ok, I really need to get this off my chest before I explode.............I am coming up to 1 year of being vegetarian, I hope it gets easier to deal with these people.</div>
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I know exactly how you feel. When I went vegan as a result of obsessively watching every animal abuse video that I came across, I had a two year period of being so filled with hate that it was emotionally painful. After that, it changed gradually to a deep sadness that was all pervasive. Since then, I've learned to sort of 'put those feelings in a box that has a lock on it'. I know that those feelings are there and what suffering (not mine) is attached to them, but in order to function in this horrible world, I have to leave them there.<br><br>
Problem is that you meet people, that are really nice, and if it wasn't for this animal thing hanging there in mid-air between you, it would be great to let go and be friends. I live in the middle of a farming community and everywhere I go, I see feedlots with cattle with their heads stuck through the fence bars eating the 'grains' that they are fed, and right next door there are fields and grass and sunshine, but they get to live in the manure and filth.....or there are the little igloos with tiny fences in front of them and baby calves imprisoned there and they might be in the sunsh<br>
ine, but they have no momma close by and the yards are so small that they couldn't possible buck around and kick up their heels!<br><br>
So I'm working on learning to keep the box closed but at the same time, I'm finding that I'm also not too willing to really get close to any of the people that I'm meeting in this community (we just moved here and folks are really friendly) because they are farmers, were farmers, come from farming families, etc. Anyway, that's how I'm handling it. You aren't alone in your 'rage'.
 

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I have one friend who absolutely loves animals. She truly does care deeply for each and every one she encounters, not just cats and dogs. Sadly, her compassion extends only to <i>live</i> ones. In the same breath she will talk about what she is doing to get into veterinary school and make snide remarks about my vegetarianism.<br><br>
However, I don't blame her. There is just a disconnect between the chipmunks she gushes over in her yard and the chickens she eats. Hopefully they will be reconnected when she begins her veterinary studies.</div>
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Don't hold your breath on that one.
 

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like the women I work with, telling me about their delicious steaks from the night before? What am I meant to say? I damn well won't say "Sounds delicious, I am so glad you enjoyed it" but I sure as hell can't say "Here's what that cow went through for you to enjoy your dinner..." either. I just have to nod, like a weak idiot, for the sake of keeping the peace.</div>
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I understand this one in particlular! My brother does that anytime I am in his company, and I've been a veggie for 28 years!!!<br>
Last time I was out with him at a family gathering (I'm the only veg*n in the family) I found myself beside him studying the menu and of course he starts asking <b>ME</b> about what I think certain meat dishes would be like! I immediatley remind him I'm a veg*an and he says something like,"Oh, yeah, right, your not interested in any of this are you?!"<br><br>
After 28 years, can you imagine how frustrating this is?!!!!!!
 

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It's very understandable to get worked up over this. I know I do. I try not to let it bother me but it does. I'm so lucky I have a fiance that is veg too or else I would feel terribly alone. We can vent to each other instead of venting at other people who probably don't care anyway.
 

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I understand your frustration, but I said exactly the same thing when I ate meat and thought of myself as an animal lover. The only diff being, I woke up to realise the hypocrisy of saying that. Hopefully more people will. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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That sounds exactly like me in my own pre-veg days.
 

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Sort of related:<br><br>
My sister is an "animal lover", and is even on her way to becoming a veterinarian to help animals. But she eats meat....<i>what?</i> How can you even claim to be an animal lover if you eat them? That's not love...
 
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