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So, as I say in my introduction post, I am vegetarian for about 7 years now.<br>
I was always very proud of that.<br>
Nobody in my family are vegetarian, but my mom and dad support me in my decision. Specially my dad, he is so proud of me because I am vegetarian.<br><br>
I never liked meat much. At the time I was eating meat I was eating just chicken white meat and fish. I never eat pork or anything else except chicken and fish.<br>
After some time I become vegetarian I become very sensitive on smell of meat. Smell of fried meat always pushes my stomach to feel bad, like I was going to vomit.<br>
I still feel bad when I feel smell of meat or when I saw raw meat.<br><br>
But last two months I have huge desire to eat meat! And I'm kinda very ashamed of that. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br>
I become vegetarian because I think that's right and I don't want to eat anything that have face, eyes or walk around... I always felt that way and I never feel like I need meat. My body never wanted it.<br>
But these two months I just can't help it. I never feel like this.<br>
I was even buy myself some fish sandwich in some store. I done that twice! I just needed to taste some meat and I was thinking "Ok, fish is not that bad..." But I feel very disappointed in myself because of that and I never told anyone I eat that sandwiches. :/<br>
My dad sometimes says to me that I must eat fish from time to time because of my health. Because I am still in teen years and he want me to grow healthy. But he was never forced me to do that. Because he is so proud that I don't eat meat.<br><br>
This morning I almost ordered delivery. I wanted big fat kebab. I desire for that for a some time now and once I even go to that kebab store to buy one, but than I saw that they have vegetarian kebab so I buy that.<br>
But still I feel like I want to taste some meat. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br>
I don't know why. This is so strange for me because I never felt this way, I never have need for meat and if I eat some meat now and then continue with my vegetarianism after that, I would have feeling like I cheated. I feel like I cheat already.<br><br>
I know that theres lot of vegetarian products that replace meat, but I want real meat.<br>
This is so weird for me. I dunno what to do.<br>
Anyone has been in this situation before?<br><br>
P.S. I apologize for my bad English.
 

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Don't worry about your English, it's perfectly easy to understand.<br><br>
I'm sorry to hear you are feeling that way. I know I would find it terrifying to have overwhelming and seemingly uncontrollable cravings.<br><br>
This may actually be very serious, and it isn't your fault. That, first and foremost, you should understand.<br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>21st Cherry Boy</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3074435"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I know that theres lot of vegetarian products that replace meat, but I want real meat.</div>
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The first step is identifying the problem, and from what you have posted, I have a pretty good idea of what it might be.<br><br>
Do you really want real meat, instead of something that tastes exactly like meat?<br><br>
It sounds like that's the case, and if you have a sound balanced diet it is probably neither a taste nor nutrition issue but a matter of impulse.<br><br>
If so, this could be some kind of psychological issue.<br><br>
You may be suffering from a loss of a sort of passive impulse control, similar to Obsessive Compulsive Disorder or Tourette's Syndrome, which could be derived from a chemical imbalance or due to emotional or environmental factors.<br><br>
That is, part of your mind may be forcing these cravings upon you because you know they're wrong (much like the impulse to say bad words is forced upon a sufferer of Tourette's who presents with coprolalia), or perhaps more accurately failing block them out while your conscious inhibitions are fixating on them, and in one sense, the more you fixate upon them the stronger they may become (so, will power alone may be inadequate to alleviate this problem).<br><br>
Meat is not a food product for you, so in that sense you may be suffering (more specifically) from the psychological condition of Pica- likely as a result of the former underlying conditions- which, unfortunately, is rather poorly understood.<br><br>
Treatment, however, has a reasonably good chance of success. You should see a psychologist (and who understands vegetarianism) to discuss the matter.<br><br>
First and foremost, though, see a doctor and get a blood assay to rule out the possibility that you are deficient in something (Iron and Calcium would come to mind as possibilities, since those elements can be tasted to a degree and may be subject to "specific appetite").<br><br>
If you have an Iron or Calcium deficiency, that's good news- they're both easily corrected by supplementation. It's unlikely that it's a learned response, but in case it is, you might also try supplementation of Taurine and Creatine (both non-essential amino acids).<br><br>
If none of those resolve the problem, then it is almost certainly psychological, and you may need to go on antidepressants (SSRI), undergo Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, or Cognitive/Behavioral Hypnotherapy.<br><br><br>
Don't lose heart; it's almost certainly treatable. It will just take a little time.
 

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Thank you for your replay vepurusg.<br><br>
With my Iron or Calcium and that stuff is everything OK. I always have good results on such tests and some conservative doctors always are surprised by that. Because they think that man need meat to be healthy and when I say that I didn't eat meat for 7 years they just shut up.<br>
Well, I ruin that 7 years with that fish sandwiches now.<br><br>
If I say to my parents that I feel need for meat they will just say "Eat it. Your organism need that and you must listen to your body." ... Going to talk with some psychologist who understand that area is out of options. I live in small town where you bearly can find some benefits for vegetarians (like vegetarian restaurant etc...) and theres just a few vegetarian stores with a really limited selection.<br>
But I really don't want to eat meat, I have my reasons for that. I just don't feel like eating meat is right.<br><br>
This scares me a lot. Because I want to go vegan some day and if I after 7 years without meat suddenly have a desire for eating meat... well, it's a disaster for me actually. :/
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>vepurusg</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3074453"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Don't worry about your English, it's perfectly easy to understand.<br><br>
I'm sorry to hear you are feeling that way. I know I would find it terrifying to have overwhelming and seemingly uncontrollable cravings.<br><br>
This may actually be very serious, and it isn't your fault. That, first and foremost, you should understand.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
If you have an Iron or Calcium deficiency, that's good news- they're both easily corrected by supplementation.<br><br>
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I suffered frequent cravings not when I moved from meat eating to Veggie strangely .. but when I moved from Veggie to Vegan. I can only assume that while I continued to eat dairy products my iron and calcium levels were acceptable but at the point I banished them from my diet my body began to crave familiar sources of both.<br><br>
I craved cheese, steak (which I had seldom even eaten as an omni) and weirdly ..bright pink square 'ham' slices which to my knowledge have little or no dietary value at all!<br><br>
I was found to have an Iron deficiency which was easily rectified with a course of Iron tablets and a greater awareness of incorporating greens into my diet.<br><br>
But at the time it was a very strong craving which I felt really guilty about as I salivated over 'plastic ham' in the supermarket. Thankfully it has subsided now and even the smell of bacon frying does not bring on a craving! The mental association between pig and product is now so deeply rooted that the trigger is overridden.<br><br>
Do not beat yourself up about this.
 

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I don't know what to suggest other than doing your best to resist the temptation and hopefully it will go away. A few years ago I found myself thinking about eating steak, not quite a craving but almost, which was kind of ridiculous since I have never eaten steak in my life and have no idea what it's like. Try visualising the slaughter of animals - maybe watch some videos online, and also imagine raw meat when you have these cravings, or other visualisation techniques if you think they'll work better. It's unpleasant, but hopefully you will able to re-establish you disgust with meat. If you do slip up, just carry on trying your best. Good luck, I hope it gets easier for you soon.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>21st Cherry Boy</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3074459"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Well, I ruin that 7 years with that fish sandwiches now.</div>
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I'm sorry. Though it is, in some sense, an accident. Don't beat yourself up over it too much; the psychological stress could increase the force of the cravings. It wasn't your fault.<br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>21st Cherry Boy</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3074459"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Going to talk with some psychologist who understand that area is out of options.</div>
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OK, well, here's what you can do: Don't tell them what it is that you are having cravings for; tell them that you read about it, and you think you're suffering from Pica and possible some OCD (from the compulsive cravings). Tell them only that it's really disgusting and you can't tell them what it is. If they ask you about your diet, tell them that you have a balanced diet and that you even got tests done at the doctor to make sure you weren't deficient in anything- don't tell them you're vegetarian (it's not their business; and if they knew they'd be too ignorant about it to help you).<br>
Be completely forward about everything else. They may assume it's feces, but their advice (and prescription medication) will be helpful either way- whether pica is feces or meat, the causes will be similar, and so will be the treatments.<br><br>
My best advice is to see if they will prescribe you some SSRI (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor); that should blunt the force of the cravings. Hopefully they will go away after a few months, and you can taper off the medication.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>21st Cherry Boy</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3074459"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
But I really don't want to eat meat, I have my reasons for that. I just don't feel like eating meat is right.</div>
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You're absolutely right, and you don't have to eat meat. You'll be OK, we'll all do our best to help you find a solution. We're all here to support you <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Thank you everyone for your replays. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
Huh, I will try to do something about that and I hope that I will get rid of that feeling as soon as possible. It's killing me.
 

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All of this advice is really good. Another thing you can try, if the problem is not physical, is to substitute something really flavorfull for the item you are craving. For example I really wanted a soda yesterday but I didn't want to go out and buy any; so instead I picked some oranges from the trees in the yard and made fresh orange juice instead, It was really tasty and I no longer wanted a soda. You can also try fake meats if they are available where you live. Eating a tablespoon of flax seed oil or mixing into your cereals or salads once in a while may help you against the craving for fish as well.
 

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I want to let you know that meat cravings are perfectly normal. After all, we were given it as a child before we understood what we were really eating, and those old patterns can still come back.<br><br>
I recommend cooking very meaty-tasting things and faux meats when you get a craving. And making an effort to make yourself delicious food really helps.<br><br>
It is an amazing achievement, to have been vegetarian for 7 years. Sometimes we just need to tweak things a bit and discover some new ways.
 
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