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Hi, i've just stumbled across your board and thought i'd join...i hope it's ok...but i still eat chicken...it's not because i love it or anything like that..it's only because i know i won't get any protein - i know how undiciplined i am when it comes to trying to make substitutes for protein. The other problem is that i have a family who considers i'm nuts anyway, seeing my lifestyle is so different than theirs....now they will have more ammunition to roll their eyes at me.<br><br><br><br>
So, i'm wonering if someonce can suggest a substitutue that i can take this week instead of chicken, but not tofu. I am concerned about the amount of protein i take in because i am a runner and am very active...also coming closer to 50 and my body is starting to go through changes with tiredness, etc.<br><br><br><br>
Enough about me...thank you for letting me on this board. I'm looking forward to seeing some recipes in the recipe area and of course, becoming a complete vegetarian.
 

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Well, whole grains, beans, and nuts are all high in protein.<br><br><br><br>
Almost all food contains protein. You might want to keep a food diary for a couple days and see just how much you are getting. Most omnivores get about double of what they need, so cutting out meat, if you are eating a varied diet, isn't bad. However, I can understand if you are an athelete and you want a little extra.<br><br><br><br>
Have you tried any of the many, many meat analogues out there? Garden Burger makes some awesome products, including chicken patties, even bbq ribs!<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Here is an interesting article, which includes:<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Despite the controversy over protein requirements, vegetarians athletes can easily achieve adequate protein providing their diet is adequate in energy and contains a variety of plant-protein foods such as legumes, grains, nuts and seeds. Vegetarians need not be concerned with eating "complementary proteins" at each meal but rather over the course of a day (28). Vegetarian diets contain on average 12.5% of energy from protein while vegan diets contain 11% (7). A 80 kg male athlete consuming 3600 calories would receive 1.41 g/kg of protein from the average vegetarian diet and 1.2 g/kg of protein from the average vegan diet. A 50 kg female gymnast consuming 2200 kcal/d would receive 1.38 g/kg from a vegetarian diet and 1.21 g/kg from a vegan diet. Therefore, most vegetarian athletes meet the requirements for endurance training without special meal planning. Strength trained athletes (weight lifters, wrestlers, football players or field throwers), or those with high training levels or low energy intakes may need to include more protein-rich foods. This is easily accomplished by encouraging the athlete to add 1 to 3 servings of protein-rich foods to their current diet (e.g., soy milk shake, lentils onto spaghetti sauce, tofu added to stir-fry or garbanzo beans to salad).</div>
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<br><a href="http://www.andrews.edu/NUFS/vegathletes.htm" target="_blank">http://www.andrews.edu/NUFS/vegathletes.htm</a><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.veganoutreach.org/health/stayinghealthy.html" target="_blank">This</a> is a link about vegan nutrition, much of it still applies, except if you eat eggs and dairy, you are getting some protein from those as well.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/index.htm" target="_blank">Here</a> is another page with info on veg*n nutrition.<br><br><br><br>
Glad to hear you are making the change! and welcome.
 

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There are some really good chicken substitutes out there, actually. You could even try the turkey substitutes, they are awesome (expensive, but if it is only you eating it, it could make you a week's worth of meals). Here's my list:<br><br><br><br>
Turkey:<br><br>
Now and Zen (I love that name)-<br><br>
they make a full "turkey" dinner out of wheat gluten, use tofu for the "skin", but its nothing like tofu.<br><br><br><br>
Tofurkey:<br><br>
They make a "turkey" dinner with gravy, wild rice stuffing drummettes, and gravy. They even throw in these funky "wishbones/sticks"- again, it tastes nothing like tofu.<br><br>
They also sell just the "tofurkey". You can eat it with mashed potatoes made with soy milk, or make sandwiches, "fajitas", wraps, etc. with the leftovers....just like families do after thanksgiving.<br><br><br><br>
Tofurkey also makes lunch slices, available in multiple flavors (like hickory smoked).<br><br><br><br>
Whitewave makes seitan and wheat gluten strips and chunks that are great sauted in garlic , olive oil, and bragg's, throw some fresh spinach in the mix.....yummy.<br><br>
I think they call them fajita strips or something.<br><br><br><br>
There is another brand that it dried....you boil it for 20 minutes. I think it is just called "Soy Chiken"...hehehe... it's pretty good if you marinate it well.<br><br><br><br>
The Health is Wealth "chicken" patties and nuggets are OK....you need a good sauce.<br><br><br><br>
There is also Quorn (which is not vegan, but I hear is good) and Veat brand chicken substitutes. I don't think those are vegan, but , again, I hear they are really tastey.<br><br><br><br>
Garden Burger makes a Chick'N Grill grilled chicken substitute, also.<br><br><br><br>
I'm sure there are many more.<br><br><br><br>
Good luck to you. Think of this as opening yourself up to a whole new world and variety of food. An adventure that is good for all!
 

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Ah, the idea of eathing something that tastes like chicken or turkey, but isn't, doesn't really appeal to me...but i guess if it's as good for me as chicken is, i could at least try something. I'll go to the grocery store tonight to see if i find something. Thanks for the thought...i really hadn't considered that.
 

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Just keep in mind that a lot of meat substitutes won't taste *exactly* like the real thing. However, there are some good ones. I don't care for most of them, but everyone's different, so you should definitely try a few!<br><br><br><br>
BTW, welcome! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Jonsie</i><br><br><b>Hi, i've just stumbled across your board and thought i'd join...i hope it's ok...but i still eat chicken...it's not because i love it or anything like that..it's only because i know i won't get any protein - i know how undiciplined i am when it comes to trying to make substitutes for protein. The other problem is that i have a family who considers i'm nuts anyway, seeing my lifestyle is so different than theirs....now they will have more ammunition to roll their eyes at me.<br><br><br><br>
So, i'm wonering if someonce can suggest a substitutue that i can take this week instead of chicken, but not tofu. I am concerned about the amount of protein i take in because i am a runner and am very active...also coming closer to 50 and my body is starting to go through changes with tiredness, etc.<br><br><br><br>
Enough about me...thank you for letting me on this board. I'm looking forward to seeing some recipes in the recipe area and of course, becoming a complete vegetarian.</b></div>
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*pushes Jonsie away from chicken* <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
There are soooo many ways to cut meat out of your diet and get sufficient protein, even as a runner. If you're <i>really</i> worried, you can always get a vegetarian protein supplement. I use one in my smoothies. I also suggest getting familiar with the grain quinoa, which is an excellent source of protein. If you don't like tofu, maybe you'll like tempeh. There's lots of recipes you can search at VegWeb. I've liked all the ones I've tried. Also look around for seitan recipes. I've been getting better with using this in meals, and it's a nice replacement for meat like chicken.<br><br><br><br>
Good luck! The animals are counting on you. And your arteries will thank you, too!
 

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I just had an idea. Require that each person send me two cookie prior to posting. Hmm...<br><br><br><br>
Anyway, welcome! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Michael</i><br><br><b>I just had an idea. Require that each person send me two cookie prior to posting. Hmm...</b></div>
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You mean browser cookies? Or were you joking about real cookies? What's the idea?
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by epski</i><br><br><b>*pushes Jonsie away from chicken* <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
There are soooo many ways to cut meat out of your diet and get sufficient protein, even as a runner. If you're <i>really</i> worried, you can always get a vegetarian protein supplement. I use one in my smoothies. I also suggest getting familiar with the grain quinoa, which is an excellent source of protein. If you don't like tofu, maybe you'll like tempeh. There's lots of recipes you can search at VegWeb. I've liked all the ones I've tried. Also look around for seitan recipes. I've been getting better with using this in meals, and it's a nice replacement for meat like chicken.<br><br><br><br>
Good luck! The animals are counting on you. And your arteries will thank you, too!</b></div>
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Or try seitan. I am wondering if you have just had some unfortunate tofu experiences Jonsie. Tofu can be an aquired taste, and is now one of my favorite foods!
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Thalia</i><br><br><b>Or try seitan. I am wondering if you have just had some unfortunate tofu experiences Jonsie. Tofu can be an aquired taste, and is now one of my favorite foods!</b></div>
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Yeah, I mentioned seitan. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"><br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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Vegetarian chilli is always a good choice. I'm physically active also and run five days a week. Since becoming vegan, there hasn't been any decrease in physical endurance for me. Just make sure you eat balanced meals. As written previously, it might surprise you how many foods contain protein. Good luck.
 

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Hi Jonsie, Welcome to VB <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
"The other problem is that i have a family who considers i'm nuts anyway, seeing my lifestyle is so different than theirs....now they will have more ammunition to roll their eyes at me. "<br><br><br><br>
I can relate to that, relatives can be a problem.
 

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Thanks for your support....i didn't make it to the grocery store yesterday, but i am actually going on a "grocery tour" tonight...we have a dietatition who runs with us and she spoke to our group and is willing to take us on a "tour" to show us how to shop better, as far as to what foods to avoid, etc. She is not a vegan, but she understands them so hopefully i can glean some stuff from her tonight.
 

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Hey Jonsie!<br><br><br><br>
So glad you joined here and posted your questions! It was the right thing to do and others already answered good things. Do you know those Vegan Chicken Nuggets? They're just like the McNuggets (or what are they called it's been some time since i've been to McD, heh). It's too spooky for me to eat but might be the right thing for you! Seitan is also cool, and you can make your own seitan!<br><br><br><br>
Protein: even a 100% fruitarian diet provides you with all you need. Consider gorillas who eat nothing but fruits, shoots and leaves. They don't exactly look protein-deficient to me, and we're much closer related to gorillas than to lions who need meat to get their protein! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br><br><br>
Stick around, post, and one day you might realize that you have become a vegetarian! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
p.s. Being nuts is cool! I want to be nuts!! Everything is nuts anyway!
 

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I had an amazing vegan dinner out tonight... I wish everyone could have access this type of food everywhere.
 

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If there is one rule, its eat varity.<br><br><br><br>
Does this mean we have to cut out the protein jokes now?<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by That Alpaca Guy</i><br><br><b>If there is one rule, its eat varity.</b></div>
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I think Alpaca means variety. You can find this item in your local health food store's produce section. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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i've been away from VB for a few days so sorry for my late welcome.<br><br>
anyway, welcome to VB jonsie and good luck! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/hi.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":hi:"><br><br>
hope you had a good experience on your supermarket tour <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 
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