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It seems to be becoming more popular to refer to veg*n diets as "plant-based" diets. I hate that term to describe veg*n diets because it sounds like you eat mostly plants, but a little bit of meat. That's why I refuse to tell people I eat a plant-based diet. I just call myself a vegetarian because then it should be clear that I don't eat meat. Although, some people still don't understand that veg*ns don't eat chicken or fish, but I think "plant-based" is even less clear.<br><br>
This article even says that plant-based diets aren't necessarily veg*n.<br><br><a href="http://www.ars.usda.gov/News/docs.htm?docid=9246" target="_blank">http://www.ars.usda.gov/News/docs.htm?docid=9246</a>
 

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Meh. It doesn't bother me. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I'm getting to like that idea! Primarily, it can stop people from using the term "vegan diet"! or "mostly vegan diet".<br>
I got to hear Neal Barnard speak on his 30 day vegan challenge, and he uses the term plant based diet quite frequently. The reality is that few people will go all the way in giving up meat and animal products. Isn't it pretty realistic to change how the standard diet is composed? Right now most omnivores think of meat first when planning meals. If there's a big enough push to change that domain to vegetarian fare, it's a win for everyone!<br>
Plant based also means cutting out animal ingrediants- so that could mean less stupid ingrediants in convience foods, and things besides plain salad or fries at restaurants. Even better, less confrontation in explaining how we don't want cheese or butter!
 

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I prefer "non-corpse and non-secretion based diet".
 

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I'm getting to like that idea! Primarily, it can stop people from using the term "vegan diet"! or "mostly vegan diet".<br>
I got to hear Neal Barnard speak on his 30 day vegan challenge, and he uses the term plant based diet quite frequently. The reality is that few people will go all the way in giving up meat and animal products. Isn't it pretty realistic to change how the standard diet is composed? Right now most omnivores think of meat first when planning meals. If there's a big enough push to change that domain to vegetarian fare, it's a win for everyone!<br>
Plant based also means cutting out animal ingrediants- so that could mean less stupid ingrediants in convience foods, and things besides plain salad or fries at restaurants. Even better, less confrontation in explaining how we don't want cheese or butter!</div>
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Maybe some people will think you don't mind a little bit of cheese in your salad. Maybe that's a plant-based meal to them since it's mostly vegetables.
 

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I prefer "non-corpse and non-secretion based diet".</div>
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Maybe some people will think you don't mind a little bit of cheese in your salad. Maybe that's a plant-based meal to them since it's mostly vegetables.</div>
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That's exactly why their calling "plant based", and not vegetarian! Vegetarian has gotten the assumption of lacto/ovo now, and there's no going back. Plant based in touted by all the participants in Forks Over Knives-and most doctors treating diabetes or heart disease should be jumping on that wagon!<br>
I've never heard any discussion of a plant based diet including secretions. It better stay that way.
 

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That's exactly why their calling "plant based", and not vegetarian! Vegetarian has gotten the assumption of lacto/ovo now, and there's no going back. Plant based in touted by all the participants in Forks Over Knives-and most doctors treating diabetes or heart disease should be jumping on that wagon!<br>
I've never heard any discussion of a plant based diet including secretions. It better stay that way.</div>
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I get that, but it can be confusing for some. I can promise that there are plenty of people who would hear plant based, and think that the meal was mainly plant (built on a base of plant) with some cheese or meat thrown in. I know of someone who calls herself a vegetarian b/c she doesn't eat meat, but she eats beef stew with the beef picked out. She doesn't seem to think the beef broth counts since it is broth and not meat. People can be dumb.
 

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That's exactly why their calling "plant based", and not vegetarian! Vegetarian has gotten the assumption of lacto/ovo now, and there's no going back. Plant based in touted by all the participants in Forks Over Knives-and most doctors treating diabetes or heart disease should be jumping on that wagon!<br>
I've never heard any discussion of a plant based diet including secretions. It better stay that way.</div>
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"Plant-based" already includes more than secretions. It includes actual flesh according to the link in my original post. "Plant-based" seems like a very vague term. If you're a vegan, strict-vegetarian, lacto-ovo, or whatever then just say so. If people don't know what it means, educate them.<br><br>
If you tell people, "I eat a plant-based diet," I doubt they're going to assume you eat no animal products. If people won't learn the terms we already have, what makes us think they're gonna assume that plant-based means only plants? And it really doesn't sound like it does. It sounds like you eat animal products at least once in awhile.
 

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I see the utility of it. A lot of nutritional information applies to people who eat only minimal amounts of meat, dairy, or eggs.<br><br>
It also doesn't have all the baggage of "vegetarian" or "vegan" -- at least not yet! So, it could be effective for getting people interested in reducing their meat and animal product consumption (for health or ethical reasons).
 

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i never really thought of that. if i heard grain/fish/meat based diet i'd think it includes other things.<br>
i say something about being vegan and generally include that i only eat plants and i used to say i was vegetarian and that i didn't eat animals. i don't think veg*n gets the point across all the time
 

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I personally do not care. Meh.
 

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I'm ok with that plant-based phrase to describe people who eat healthily with little meat, but I never use it to describe my diet cos it only encourages idiots to roll out that stupid "plants have feeling too" BS.
 

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It seems to be becoming more popular to refer to veg*n diets as "plant-based" diets. I hate that term to describe veg*n diets because it sounds like you eat mostly plants, but a little bit of meat. That's why I refuse to tell people I eat a plant-based diet. I just call myself a vegetarian because then it should be clear that I don't eat meat. Although, some people still don't understand that veg*ns don't eat chicken or fish, but I think "plant-based" is even less clear.<br><br>
This article even says that plant-based diets aren't necessarily veg*n.<br><br><a href="http://www.ars.usda.gov/News/docs.htm?docid=9246" target="_blank">http://www.ars.usda.gov/News/docs.htm?docid=9246</a></div>
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I would suggest giving the psychology behind this a consideration before rejecting it altogether. It's briefly mentioned in Nick Cooney's "Change of Heart", a book I consider wonderful but which has caused sharp lines to be drawn in the sand in the vegan community over some of its suggestions. He devotes nearly an entire chapter to explaining the psychology that leads some people to be turned off by some terms, and why in the specific case of vegan activism the word "vegan" can sometimes hurt more than it helps. Remember you have to base your approach on what your actual goals are. "Vegan" is a word but getting someone to eat fewer or no animals saves lives, which is a tangible thing that makes a ton of difference in this world.
 

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I guess I think of "plant-based" as more all-encompassing term. Imagine nested circles in a Venn diagram:<br><br>
( Plant based ( Vegetarian ( Vegan ) ) )<br><br>
Plant based would include vegetarians, vegans, and people who eat a little meat. So, I would consider my diet to be plant based, but I wouldn't use "plant based" at a restaurant and expect to get anything vegetarian or vegan.
 

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Since veganism includes animal-free clothing choices, personal care items, household items, etc., I find "plant-based" to be useful to refer to animal-product-free eaters but not necessarily vegans/veganism. It's not vague to me. I don't mind if other people dislike the term, though. I still use it if I want to or if it seems appropriate.
 

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I would suggest giving the psychology behind this a consideration before rejecting it altogether. It's briefly mentioned in Nick Cooney's "Change of Heart", a book I consider wonderful but which has caused sharp lines to be drawn in the sand in the vegan community over some of its suggestions. He devotes nearly an entire chapter to explaining the psychology that leads some people to be turned off by some terms, and why in the specific case of vegan activism the word "vegan" can sometimes hurt more than it helps. Remember you have to base your approach on what your actual goals are. "Vegan" is a word but getting someone to eat fewer or no animals saves lives, which is a tangible thing that makes a ton of difference in this world.</div>
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I'm certainly for people eating less meat and if people want to educate others about the benefits of a plant-based diet in an effort to get them to eat less meat, thus improving their own hwalth and saving animals, then that's great, but we can't expect them to think that "plant-based" means no animal products because it doesn't.<br><br>
I haven't seen Forks Over Knives yet, but I know they use the term "plant-based" because I've seen clips. I don't know if they say that "plant-based" means no animal products, but if they do, they're wrong. They didn't coin the term so they can't just hijack it and change it's definition. Veg*ns don't like it when meat-eaters hijack our terms and call themselves vegetarians when they, in fact, eat chicken or fish. Likewise, veg*ns shouldn't get upset when a meat eater says he eats a plant-based diet unless he's a hardcore Atkins dieter who eats mostly animal products.<br><br>
The article I linked to in my first post was printed in 2004 long before FOK came out, so it's not like plant-based diets including animal products is a new idea. It meant that long before some people started incorrectly thinking that "plant-based" was synonymous with "strict-vegetarian".
 

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The article I linked to in my first post was printed in 2004 long before FOK came out, so it's not like plant-based diets including animal products is a new idea. It meant that long before some people started incorrectly thinking that "plant-based" was synonymous with "strict-vegetarian".</div>
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Source please? I haven't run into anyone who thinks plant based = strict vegetarian or vegan or anything besides "mostly plants."
 
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