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I hate politics.<br><br>
Government politics. Office politics. Organizational politics for groups I belong to. Doesn't matter. They all suck.<br><br>
Today's rant is on office politics. I was chewed out by my boss today, for the second time this week, for telling the truth to people from other departments when she didn't want me to.<br><br>
If we're in a meeting where people from different departments get together to discuss how to fix a complicated problem, doesn't that seem like the appropriate time to debate our strategy for how to fix it? I thought so. One person says "Let's try this" and someone else says "What about this other method?", and I jumped in and gave an opinion, as well. But apparently, I was supposed to sit there and agree with my manager about everything, rather than actually speaking up if I had an idea, because our department presenting a unified front is more important than coming up with the best solution to the problem. That was Monday.<br><br>
Today, still working on the same problem, someone from another department came over to compare notes with me on what we were doing. So I showed him what I was doing and what my results were so far. My boss overheard us and came to join the conversation, which is fine. But after he left, she complained about me showing the guy the results we had so far. Apparently, giving him something to compare to when he does his part of the project isn't as important as keeping any possible bad news a secret, so word won't accidentally leak out to our top executives that there might be bad news coming.<br><br>
You know, one of the things I miss most about the last company I worked for is that when there was a major problem, we'd all get together and fix it. Everyone's first thought was "How do we correct this?" At my current job, everyone's first thought is "Whose fault is it?" There's a whole political CYA mentality here that just gets in the way of working together and solving problems in the most efficient possible manner. I'm starting to think it's time to update my resume and start looking around.<br><br>
--Fromper<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/juggle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":juggle:">
 

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That's what happens when people care more about being right than actually solving a problem. If you're not happy there, search for another job. And I'm sure you already know this, but don't tell anyone you work with that you're applying for other jobs.<br><br>
However, in my experience, office politics are somewhat universal<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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I work in the medical field and have learned to smile and say yes. Really I don't know what else to do anymore. But then I'm only a worker bee. I'd flip if I were a member of management in any way.<br><br>
Sorry about your mess. I do agree, most jobs seem to have this kind of stuff. I hope things improve.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Freesia</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2952025"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
She sounds like a very strange woman. Problem solving is awesome, how can she not be open to it?</div>
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Unfortunately that behavior is not uncommon. Many managers I've worked with over the years are only interested in maintaining the status quo and have no motivation to improve operations or processes. When ever you bring up issues and possible solutions, they just say "we can't make changes, so just deal with it".
 

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Office politics suck. Sometimes I just want to turn to people and shout at them: YOU KNOW WE ALL WORK FOR THE SAME COMPANY, RIGHT?????
 

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I've dealt with office politics for 30 years, and I agree, it sucks. Many managers make a big deal about being part of a "team", but they either create or contribute to such a toxic working environment that you realize you don't want to be part of that team.<br><br>
Regular workers acting like they're managers, treating coworkers like underlings, and running to their supervisors to snitch on their coworkers. This is especially obnoxious when they're fairly new to their jobs. It's obvious they're aiming for something better, and they're perfectly happy to step on the heads of their coworkers to get there.<br><br>
Managers who indeed act like it's impossible to change anything, so let's keep the status quo.<br><br>
Managers who act like God, and heaven forbid any underling who goes over their head on something.<br><br>
Managers who are so protective of their department that they resent any changes or even suggestions of changes made from above.<br><br>
It's exhausting. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/dozey.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":tired:">
 

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It's like that almost everywhere. There are times when it pays to play dumb and sit back and not get involved. I'm starting to think that it would be best to work for one's self as some of my coworkers who left and started their own firm with friends had done.
 

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I was reminded of this thread today. One of our sites had very low revenue for the past week, and the supervisor of that site told the management it was because us girls on the help desk hadn't told him the site needed some essential equipment delivered. He has an overdeveloped but fragile ego and has to pass the blame to someone else every time something is wrong at one of his sites.<br><br>
So I printed off the report from last Thursday where I told him they needed the equipment, and took it to the manager.<br><br>
Score 1 for helpdesk.
 

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I've dealt with office politics for 30 years, and I agree, it sucks. Many managers make a big deal about being part of a &quot;team&quot;, but they either create or contribute to such a toxic working environment that you realize you don't want to be part of that team.<br><br>
Regular workers acting like they're managers, treating coworkers like underlings, and running to their supervisors to snitch on their coworkers. This is especially obnoxious when they're fairly new to their jobs. It's obvious they're aiming for something better, and they're perfectly happy to step on the heads of their coworkers to get there.<br><br>
Managers who indeed act like it's impossible to change anything, so let's keep the status quo.<br><br>
Managers who act like God, and heaven forbid any underling who goes over their head on something.<br><br>
Managers who are so protective of their department that they resent any changes or even suggestions of changes made from above.<br><br>
It's exhausting. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/dozey.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":tired:"></div>
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Yes! Or Managers who are incompetent and put in charge of training new hires for the department they haven't worked in for the past 10 years!
 

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I neglected to mention also:<br><br>
Managers who came in as managers, have never worked any of the jobs performed by the people they manage, and have no clue what it's like to do those jobs, yet they're full of ideas of how to do these jobs better which probably look good to them on paper but are unworkable when put into practice. These people are so determined to make their mark in the company that they refuse to listen to any dissenting voices telling them that their ideas, well, suck.
 

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Amy, are we working for the same company? I can't even begin to write about the nonsense going on at my job...I don't understand how people get put in charge of departments when they are obviously lacking in management skills.
 

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I know this dynamic all too well, and I've come to the conclusion that many managers are threatened by smart employees because they're afraid that they'll look dumb. When in reality, if they really cared about the company, they would only want smart employees. Ever wonder why people get turned down from jobs for being "overqualified"?<br><br>
I'm having a similar experience with my manager, unlike everyone else at the front desk she didn't hire me, I was hired by her supervisor. And the manager of one of the other departments told me that my manager never would've hired me because I'm too smart. We'll see if the place stays in business when I'm gone after this week! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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The sad part is that my manager isn't usually that bad.<br><br>
But in this case, we're trying to fix a major problem with the data in our computer system, and even after fixing it, the data isn't what management wants it to be. It's accurate now, but our company just isn't doing as well as we hoped, so the report shows a slight downward trend on numbers that we had hoped would go up. So my manager is trying to insist that we must have fixed it wrong, or the way we're pulling reports on it is wrong. So she's going out of her way to invent new ways of looking at the same things over and over to try and find some interpretation of the data that shows our company doing better than it is, even though every version we look at shows the same downward trend. And if I can't even talk about my findings so far with people that I need to help me look into why they might be wrong, then how am I supposed to prove one way or another that what I did was correct?<br><br>
I expect this sort of thing from people in other departments, who routinely complain when a report that hasn't changed in years suddenly shows data they don't like, so they assume the report must be broken. But from within my department, and especially when my boss drags my teammates off other important projects, wasting their time in order to have them double check my work, it's getting obnoxious. It's pretty obvious that my boss trusts my work when the data I'm reporting makes our company look good, and doesn't trust my work when the data happens to be bad news, even if I'm reporting that bad news accurately.<br><br>
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That is a really tough atmosphere to work in. The book Strengthsfinder also has links with Gallup and they send out a newsletter to help organizations and companies do better. It includes suggestions like yours, i.e. collaborate in problem solving. I hope either management changes or you get a better job. We spend so much time at work, it's really important that the atmosphere be healthy.<br><br>
All the best to you and others in their search
 

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I just got out of a job where my boss wouldn't let me make even small decisions that I was more qualified to make. If was funny because they micromanaged everything, but did no macromanaging. I hadn't even had a review in like 2 years.<br><br>
My strategy of choice was always to make them think it was their idea. It really drove me nuts though because i'm a very blunt person, and I don't like verbally dancing around the issues trying to give them the info they need to make the right decision.<br><br>
The worst part about your situation though is that they don't even discuss it with you. I can deal with a difference of opinions, but not when people won't even listen to me. Sounds like your boss otherwise isn't that bad...I hope things get back to normal soon.
 
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