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I'm a vegetarian, but I still consume dairy products & eggs. The eggs are not a problem because I either get them from my aunt & uncle (they have the hens and roosters seperated, they don't slaughter their chickens, and they are kept very well) or I purchase vegetarian eggs. However, I feel terrible about the dairy products. I know what conditions the cows are kept in, and what happens to them, but I don't think I could do without cheese, milk, yogurt, baked goods, chocolate, etc. I know there are probably vegan versions, but I still live with my parents and my mom wouldn't get all of those for me. She already gets me meat substitutes.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Basically, I am going to eventually try to become a vegan, and I just need some early tips so I can start cutting dairy out of my life. I have three years before I move out, so I have a while to get started.<br><br><br><br>
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Hey, Alli. I'm Lea, I'm new to this board. I've been vegetarian since December 2004. I've been vegan for almost two months now, which isn't a long time, but I know I'll never go back. I loved dairy, too, especially cheese and ice cream, and after I was vegetarian for a while, I told myself and my fiance' that I'd never be able to be vegan. After almost two years...I guess I just got tired of feeling like crap. Feeling like crap for eating dairy/eggs, and feeling like crap physically because its just not good for you. I talked with my fiance', (who was also vegetarian), and he said he'd be happy to do it with me if I wanted to go vegan. I gave myself a week to say goodbye to dairy, had my favorite ice cream, my favorite non-vegan dish, ect, and when that week was up, I stopped eating dairy altogether. I wanted to do it so much, I don't even miss it, and that shocked me. I have no desire to eat anything that isn't vegan, and I feel a lot better about myself. Thats just my personal expirience, though, and if you want to phase it out little by little, I think thats great, too. And as far as your parents not buying you the substitutes...if they buy you regular yogurt, for example, couldn't they just buy you soy yogurt instead? It is more expensive, I understand that and that part of it sucks. Hmm..as far as cheese...I really don't bother with substitutes. Its too expensive and a lot of it isn't good, not to mention its *really* hard to find completely vegan cheese. Maybe your parents would be more likely to help you if they knew how healthy it is? Of course, if they already know that doesn't help much. Just some random thoughts, they may or may not help. I hope they do.
 

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That was really good advice given by teaforleelee. Just give it up gradually. Just think of how much better you'll feel. Not just knowing how that stuff seriously ruins your body. I used to eat a ton of dairy, and that's caused a lot of problems with my kidneys(Im only 15, but it started when I was 11). And also think of how you'll be stopping some unnecessary torture to animals.<br><br><br><br>
It was really easy for me to give up eggs and dairy. I cannot even stand the thought now. I love Rice Dream rice milk, but I know a lot of people prefer soy milk. Maybe you should try those.
 
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hey alli, if you're old enough to do it, have you thought about maybe getting a part time job, or doing a few chores even, to help cover the cost of a carton of soya milk or 3 a week? if so, you could start to gradually switch things across gradually like this... say, first start using soy milk in cereal, then start replacing yogurt with soya yogurt, then switch your current icecream with soya icecream, etc.<br><br><br><br>
it is true that some vegan things cost a bit more money than some non vegan items, but if you use cheap things like beans and veggies and breads which are inherently vegan and nutrient rich as the majority of your diet, and veiw things like vegan sour cream and soya icecream and the like as 'treats' and not day to day neccesities- and don't eat a few cartons of them a week, it might end up costing your mum about the same a month as it does now to keep you in a bit less soy yogurt and icecream, especially if you use a lot of dairy based products currently.<br><br><br><br>
why not work out exactly how much it currently costs her to keep you in dairy items, and work out prices for vegan items, and propose a plan to buy you vegan versions costing the same total amount or less, per week, out of the household budget- but still ensuring you get enough calcium and vitamins from other sources (mums rightfully worry about this stuff!). if she can see you've done your homework, and that you're prepared to swap say.... 3 pints of milk, a big tub of icecream, a block of cheese, and a few big tubs of yogurt, costing $xx (can't guestimate american prices).... for 3 pints of soya milk, a small tub of soya icecream, a few small tubs of soy yogurt, and some healthy calcium rich veggies, costing less than or equal to $xx bucks, (maybe even saving her a few bucks), and making sure you still get enough vitamins and minerals, she might go for it then.<br><br><br><br>
its worth a try, and is an lesson in economics which'll come in handy later in life if nothing else, anyway! good luck with it!
 

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Thanks guys, I've decided to start cutting out milk. I also recently found out about the whole cheese rennet thing... Ew. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> And gelatin. I didn't know about that either! I'm so glad I joined this site, it's going to help so much. I guess I'm just going to *try* to avoid it, but for now, if I get a major craving, I'm gonna give in. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/blank.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":|"><br><br><br><br>
I actually do have a job, I bus tables (at a steakhouse. Yuck.), but my mom will probably want me to come with her to get the stuff. Which isn't a problem, it will be better because I'll be able to read the lables. She's already annoyed with my veggie-ism though (harder for her to cook), so I know she'll be angry if I tell her... I guess I'll just start cutting it out without really mentioning anything.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
I'm just glad my two favorite foods are vegan! Mushrooms & bananas... Mmmm. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Silk does not have casein in it. It is vegan and it is yummy. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/lick.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lick:"> AFAIK, there are no brands of soymilk that have casein. There is one brand of soymilk that has a non-vegan ingredient-- Vitamin D3 in 8th Continent soymilk-- but AFAIK, all other brands are vegan.<br><br><br><br>
These links may help you while you are working on gradually cutting out animal products:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/showpost.php?p=1175121&postcount=19" target="_blank">Tip of the Day: Dairy Alternatives</a><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/showpost.php?p=1286695&postcount=61" target="_blank">Tip of the Day: Egg Replacers<br><br></a>
 

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She's already annoyed with my veggie-ism though (harder for her to cook)</div>
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Ahh... herein lies the problem. If you've only got three years left at home then you're the higher end of being a teenager. I do the majority of my own cooking (I'm 14) and that's really helped my parents cope. I've been vegetarian for a year now and now coming home and making dinner is just second nature. This makes life a lot easier when it comes to reducing dairy- I'm in about the same situation. Today I made dinner for the whole family- mac and cheese. However, rather than doing my father's suggestion- cheddar cheese, corn starch, and whipping cream- I went on google and found myself a vegan recipe using nutritional yeast and soymilk. It was delicious and although I was a little nervous, nobody knew the difference until I told them.<br><br><br><br>
I am all for Jen's suggestion of trading. That's about how I found myself with the nutritional yeast and the soymilk. [I'm still working on switching from the crappy omni margarine to Earth Balance though... they say the price difference is too much.] I even found a brand new yogurt maker at a garage sale today for five dollars and plan on trying to make soy yogurt!<br><br><br><br>
I wish you luck with your dairy-reducing adventure ^^
 

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I was going to bring up gelatin. glad you found that... bye bye skittles and frosted poptarts. Anyway...! If you're finding it difficult to cut out any and all items with dairy, try just cutting actual dairy products first... no milk, cheese, yogurt... but don't go reading every label just yet. It might help. And I believe it might have been mentioned already, but try cooking once or twice a week to help your mom with the extra load of preparing an extra veg meal.<br><br><br><br>
Most importantly though, don't feel like a hypocrite. The point of veganism (to me atleast) is not about simply refusing animal products.... your heart is in the right place, you're young, and you're trying. compassion is what matters.<br><br><br><br>
(I'm also really jealous about your egg situation. I loved eggs before I went vegan and I can't wait to own a house so I can have a couple of chickens as pets and in return enjoy omelettes again.)
 

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Silk does not have casein in it. It is vegan and it is yummy. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/lick.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lick:"> AFAIK, there are no brands of soymilk that have casein. There is one brand of soymilk that has a non-vegan ingredient-- Vitamin D3 in 8th Continent soymilk-- but AFAIK, all other brands are vegan.<br><br>
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8th Continent used to use D3, but it does not any longer. It is suitable for vegans.<br><br><a href="http://www.8thcontinent.com/images/os_orig_ingred.gif" target="_blank">http://www.8thcontinent.com/images/os_orig_ingred.gif</a>
 

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<div class="quote-block">I was going to bring up gelatin. glad you found that... bye bye skittles and frosted poptarts. Anyway...! If you're finding it difficult to cut out any and all items with dairy, try just cutting actual dairy products first... no milk, cheese, yogurt... but don't go reading every label just yet. It might help. And I believe it might have been mentioned already, but try cooking once or twice a week to help your mom with the extra load of preparing an extra veg meal.<br><br><br><br>
Most importantly though, don't feel like a hypocrite. The point of veganism (to me atleast) is not about simply refusing animal products.... your heart is in the right place, you're young, and you're trying. compassion is what matters.<br><br><br><br>
(I'm also really jealous about your egg situation. I loved eggs before I went vegan and I can't wait to own a house so I can have a couple of chickens as pets and in return enjoy omelettes again.)</div>
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I don't even want to eat anything with gelatin in it anymore. I get sick to my stomach looking at the jell-o in the fridge. I heard that the dole fruit cups are derived from plants though? That's good, I like those. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.<br><br><br><br>
I don't eat much yogurt anyway, it's going to be the cheese that's the problem. Cheese is one of my favorite foods, and I've heard that there's no good vegan cheese. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> I also put silk on the grocery list, so next time my mom goes shopping, I'm going to start trying to cut the milk out.<br><br><br><br>
We actually don't get many eggs from them anymore, but there are vegetarian eggs at the supermarket. I tend to eat very few eggs unless they are from my aunt & uncle, though. I was actually thinking of owning chickens, too.
 

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I don't even want to eat anything with gelatin in it anymore. I get sick to my stomach looking at the jell-o in the fridge. I heard that the dole fruit cups are derived from plants though? That's good, I like those. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.<br></div>
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Best thing to do is check the ingredients. If it says "gelatin" it is never plant derived. But according to <a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/showpost.php?p=777985&postcount=104" target="_blank">this*</a> thread, they are vegan.
 

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8th Continent used to use D3, but it does not any longer. It is suitable for vegans.<br><br><a href="http://www.8thcontinent.com/images/os_orig_ingred.gif" target="_blank">http://www.8thcontinent.com/images/os_orig_ingred.gif</a></div>
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Thanks for pointing that out. I've updated my Dairy Alternatives page.
 

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It's hard to have a lot of control over your food when you're a teenager so just do your best with each meal. Once you're out of the house, you can buy all the vegan food you want.
 

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That just sounds wrong.<br><br><br><br>
I know what they are I'm good with google that way. But when I first read it it was like reading "educational television" or "Microsoft Works" or "Presbyterian cheese".<br><br><br><br>
Is that just me?<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Anyway, my best advice on giving up anything is to suck it up, be strong, and do it. Why prolong the agony?<br><br><br><br>
I liked dairy and all that crap as much as the next guy, gave it all up cold tofurky, and I have zero cravings for any of it.<br><br><br><br>
Anyway, that's how I rock the problem.<br><br><br><br>
Cheers!<br><br>
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Alli: I had to smile at the title of your thread "I feel like a hypocrite". I felt that way for ages too before I went vegan. Only I didn't say "I feel like a hypocrite", I went the whole hog and forgot about the "feeling" bit and told myself "I am a stupid f***ing hypocrite and a willing accomplice of murder".<br><br><br><br>
Once I had told myself that about 10 million times, I realised one day that it was time to get my act together.<br><br><br><br>
And I have never looked back. Being vegan ROCKS!!!!!!!!!<br><br><br><br>
Enjoy your new lifestyle. (And don't forget, vegans do not eat honey.)<br><br><br><br>
Oh and cheese... that's just an addiction like smoking or chewing your nails. Once you've weaned yourself, you won't miss it anymore.
 

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I was actually thinking of owning chickens, too.</div>
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Don't forget that for every laying hen you'll need to care for her rooster brother (unless you get her as a rescue).
 

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Instead of the more extreme method of trying to drop all honey, dairy and egg trace ingredients all at once, I would suggest trying to be minimally lacto-ovo first. The all-or-nothing vegan mentality is a detriment to the cause, in my opinion.<br><br><br><br>
It is fairly easy and rewarding to give up drinking milk directly and there are many great alternatives. If you give up directly eating eggs, you will probably find you don't miss them much as long as you give yourself some good alternatives (try scrambled tofu). If you love cheese, keep it! Just minimize your intake and make sure you choose microbial (not animal) rennet and organic whenever possible. Slowly try the vegan alternatives and if you find one you like, go for it.<br><br><br><br>
As for honey, I say do some research and come to your own conclusions. Personally, I don't have any problem with a little bit of honey, just as I have no problem with eating the fruit that is pollenated by honey bees (fruit producers and honey producers go hand in hand).<br><br><br><br>
The hardest part about going vegan is giving up all those tasty little treats that contain dariy and egg trace ingredients. Milk chocolate alone is probably enough to keep me from ever being truely vegan.<br><br><br><br>
The important thing to remember is that YOU set the rules. Do what makes you happy and don't feel guilty over enjoying the occasional piece of milk chocolate or bite of cheese. You need to put these things into perspective.
 

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The all-or-nothing vegan mentality is a detriment to the cause, in my opinion.<br></div>
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How do you figure that immediately ceasing to consume dairy products is detrimental to the cause of veganism?<br><br><br><br>
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The hardest part about going vegan is giving up all those tasty little treats that contain dariy and egg trace ingredients. Milk chocolate alone is probably enough to keep me from ever being truely vegan.<br><br><br><br>
The important thing to remember is that YOU set the rules. Do what makes you happy and don't feel guilty over enjoying the occasional piece of milk chocolate or bite of cheese. You need to put these things into perspective.</div>
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I think the OP does feel guilty...or at least hypocritical.<br><br><br><br>
But whatever.<br><br><br><br>
Enjoy your cheese and chocolates and other delights and pay no mind to the cows that lived a crappy life so you could frivolously please your palette. As long as it's scrumdiddlyicious then why feel guilty, right?<br><br><br><br>
Cheers!<br><br>
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