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<p>So, as a vegetarian, you've read this title and you're probably thinking, "duh, why would you?" Let me elaborate: I don't support factory farming. But I also don't support the "humane" farming, either. This is purely on a moral level, and is 100% MY decision to make. But every time I mention it, people berate me because animals are stupid and don't feel anything. Anyway, let me explain:</p>
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<p>I live by a code. It's kind of a modified Code of Chivalry, if you will. Basically, my moral code revolves around being as honorable as I can in how I treat others. Such as, letting people pass on the street, not ignoring people who maybe just want someone to say "hi" to them and acknowledge their existence. Not betraying friends, not cheating. That kind of thing.</p>
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<p>I view "humane" farming as betrayal. If these animals are raised in "ideal" conditions, then they're being raised to be happy and trust you. Killing them is betrayal. You're misleading them by thinking you aren't a threat, and then taking their life. Sure, they may not understand the deception, but that still doesn't mean it isn't betrayal.</p>
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<p>The way I see it, while "humane" farming might be better in that the animals aren't in horrible conditions, I can't ethically defend killing an animal that I raised not to see me as a threat. That just doesn't sit well with me.</p>
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<p>I very rarely mention this, but a few times, it's come up in discussions, and every single time, people always took it upon themselves to tell me my choice is wrong or stupid because animals don't trust you and aren't capable of that kind of emotion.</p>
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<p>Basically, there are different groups of people I've encountered in life:</p>
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<p>The very cold people who aren't necessarily "evil" or "mean," but just don't have any empathy and see things ONLY through logic.</p>
<p>The middle-of-the-road people who see both the logical and emotional side (which is, in my experience, the least common, and the side I most identify with)</p>
<p>The side that is purely emotional and argues through passion only. Basically, the opposite of #1.</p>
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<p>And it's this kind of thing that really bugs me. I can't stand people who have no empathy. I can understand their viewpoint to an extent like I can with the people who are, maybe, overly empathetic, but what bothers me about both extremes is that they have to "convert" everyone. The passionate side at least has some kind of value or goal in mind, but the cold-logic side just doesn't /care/ and basically just is there to tell people they're wrong.</p>
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<p>IDK if my ramble made any sense, but it's something that does bother me. I don't see why my personal choice to dislike farming, based off of my principle of avoiding betrayal, is so idiotic or worthy of attack. I'm not harming anyone by it. I just don't like it and choose not to support it whenever I can. Live and let live? Oh... wait...</p>
 
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<p>I understand what you are saying. I know there is no such thing as humane slaughter as well.</p>
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<p>Everyone is different and we need every type of vegan for the most widely distributed message. I feel that I'm very passionate and motivated to get others to change, because these are beings that are suffering at others hands. It's not fair, it's not right. Their very being is taken from them, their soul shattered, and my goal is to while not shove it down people's throat, to get people aware of this and encourage them to change, even if in only small steps. It's not fair for those in power to dominate these sentient beings, so I DO feel like it's my duty to get others to change too.</p>
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<p>Keep in mind, that even if you aren't really advocating at the present time, people take your lifestyle as a threat because they KNOW they are doing something which most rational people would not approve of. I'm also concerned with the lack of empathy. I think it's cuz in our society we have it really easy and almost very little harm comes to us anymore. It's easier for someone to relate to another's suffering when they can reflect on pain they have experienced.</p>
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<p>I encourage you to keep finding your own path in this, but never get discouraged by others. Don't forget that abolitionists always had the whole entire south against them. The south would have appreciated it if they would shut up because they didn't want to be made aware of their REAL exploitation. But these passionate people, who stood for something, who stood for justice, helped gain slaves civil rights. Everyone fighting for civil rights though had their own way, some were very active, publishing papers, some were more softspoken and only spoke out about it when it came up, and others who fought it with their whole heart, protesting, hiding away slaves, rioting, and devoting their life to truth, justice, and freedom for others. For every social issue, there's always many on the wrong side, but just keep a strong heart and realize that we are contiuing to make great progress. There are more vegans than ever, and are outreach methods are better than ever. Don't lose heart, those oppressed need you to keep strong~ <3<br>
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You may be interested in looking into Peter Singers response to the reciprocity argument.
 

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<p>Basically, there are different groups of people I've encountered in life:</p>
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<p>The very cold people who aren't necessarily "evil" or "mean," but just don't have any empathy and see things ONLY through logic.</p>
<p>The middle-of-the-road people who see both the logical and emotional side (which is, in my experience, the least common, and the side I most identify with)</p>
<p>The side that is purely emotional and argues through passion only. Basically, the opposite of #1.</p>
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<p>I would be curious to know what the logical argument against your position is. I don't consider the claim that animals are unintelligent and cannot feel to be a logical one. Also, I value logic very highly, but without values and emotions there would be nothing to apply it to. So I don't think the two can be fully separated, although it's true that there are some people who are simply less empathetic than others. </p>
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<p>I try to argue using a combination of logic and appeals to what empathetic feelings and moral values the person already has. Because I strongly believe that animal farming is already inconsistent with most people's morals. For example, do they think it's morally okay to torture a cat? No? Then "animals are unintelligent and can't feel anything" can no longer be used as an argument. Once you get them to admit that animals deserve ethical consideration I think you'll find that they have a very hard time reconciling why farming creatures who deserve ethical consideration for unneeded and non-resource-efficient (i.e. luxury) foods is not a moral problem. If they say yes, it's okay to torture cats and dogs, then I accept that the two of us have nothing to talk about and move on. But from my experience it's rare for anyone to actually believe this.</p>
 
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