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I was out last night with some people and we were talking about "steak" and I made a small tiny face and said "I don't eat meat." So one of the people I'm with, my bro, says nothing cause he was there once and respects what I'm doing, another who's wife is a veg/pesce*n says do you eat fish? And I said I try not to, but occasionally I have. Same guy...knowing that I said, "I have eaten FISH - MEAT" says are you a VEGAN? So I throw up my foot and say nope, my Birks are leather...<br><br><br><br>
I'm trying you guys, it's hard, but dam**t I'm soo, trying. I don't claim to be anything (label wise). I claim to be a person with a social and personal committment to do what is best for me and the world. Sometimes we fall.<br><br><br><br>
Another of our friends, same gathering, was talking about dinner, and I said, I had a hummus wrap. You would have thought I said I had a VOMIT wrap.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
BTW this was all at a Dead show, lots of free lovin' non meat eatin' hippie freaks there!!!!
 

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wow..*hugs* I've been there. Thanks for trying. That's all we can do. I'm coming up on my 1 year anniversary in 2 months and was thinking just the other day of how many animals lives I've saved by not eating them. It's an awesome thought. Keep your focus and it other people's comments may not bother you as much. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Loki has one of the best sayings -<br><br><br><br>
Eating meat 6 days a week is better then eating meat 7 days a week.<br><br><br><br>
It is an evolution. Some people will never completely give up eating meat, but their reduction has made a positive impact on the environment and society. Some people become vegan and make positive impacts as well.<br><br><br><br>
Just say to your friends, "I'm working on being a vegetarian." When you order food, if it's a vegetarian day for you, then tell the waiter, "I'm a vegetarian. What can you offer me?" To me, it isn't a lie, because that day, you are one.<br><br><br><br>
I'm pretty laid back with all the definations and such. Just take your time, do your best and don't be miserable while doing it.
 

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Yeah. Don't let other people influence your feelings. Deciding how you feel is your job. Don't abdicate your responsibility, missy! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by kristadb</i><br><br><b>Just say to your friends, "I'm working on being a vegetarian." When you order food, if it's a vegetarian day for you, then tell the waiter, "I'm a vegetarian. What can you offer me?" To me, it isn't a lie, because that day, you are one.</b></div>
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<br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/carrot.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":vebo:"> Yay, that means that I was a vegetarian today. I've already faced the "what do you mean no meat?? you need meat" question today when I told some friends of my intentions to change my eating habits. At least I have a great atmosphere at work. I work at a non-profit that has 8 people and 3 out of those 8 are vegetarian, soon to be 4 if I include myself.
 

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Eat Less Meat.<br><br><br><br>
I think I'll make a t-shirt with that on it.<br><br><br><br>
It's easier for people to say "I won't eat as much meat." than "I can't eat ANY meat? I'll DIE!" Because it IS hard for some people to grasp the idea of not eating meat, but it's much easier to say you won't do it for a day.<br><br><br><br>
I think that's the trouble a lot of us run into with meat eaters. They don't know what in the WORLD they'd eat if they couldn't eat meat, and then attempt to make us feel bad about their problem. Just focus on your veggie sandwich or falafel and know you're helping things, and you're healthier than they are.
 

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We should have a chicken and a cow on the t-shirt and it should say Eat Mor Vegetablez. Like the old Chik-fil-a bilboards <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> Shannon
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by kristadb</i><br><br><b><br><br><br><br>
Just say to your friends, "I'm working on being a vegetarian." When you order food, if it's a vegetarian day for you, then tell the waiter, "I'm a vegetarian. What can you offer me?" To me, it isn't a lie, because that day, you are one.<br><br><br><br>
I'm pretty laid back with all the definations and such. Just take your time, do your best and don't be miserable while doing it.</b></div>
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I disagree.<br><br><br><br>
I do agree that eating less is better than more of course. But if you know that might eat meat tomorrow, don't go and call yourself a vegetarian. Because it isn't true. Vegetarians have made a commitment to never eat meat. It isn't something you can turn on and off at will. You don't say "today I am muslim, or today I am homosexual" It just doesn't work that way. You would be ruining it for the rest of us. Just call yourself an omnivore who sometimes doesn't eat meat, just because you don't want to at that particular moment.<br><br><br><br>
thanks!<br><br><br><br>
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yippie!!! other deadheads!, seems to me show's used to be allot more veg freindly, you used to hardley ever see any meat there. now there seem to be quite a bit. oh i'm feeling so nostalgic.
 

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Ruining what for the rest of us breakforsquirrels? How does someone calling themselves a vegetarian, who is really working on becoming a vegetarian, ruin it for anyone?<br><br><br><br>
I'll just put it forth right now dawngirl, the fact that you call yourself a vegetarian and still struggle with the issues surrounding giving up meat, does not ruin my vegetarian experience/path for me. I am still on the same path as I was yesterday...I don't feel like giving it all up and running to the store for some meat...thinking, "Well SHE hasn't given it up and SHE calls herself a veggie...why shouldn't I do the same?"<br><br><br><br>
I'm joking a little here, but this whole name thing is biting me in the butt right now. I don't see why anyone needs to worry about what you call yourself.<br><br><br><br>
It is not what you call yourself that's important. It's what/who you actually ARE that makes all the difference. keep working at it.<br><br><br><br>
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Ruining it for who? She's sitting alone in a restaurant and tells someone, whom she'll never see again, that she's a vegetarian and wants something that's *gasp* vegetarian.<br><br><br><br>
Anyone who is comfortable with their own situation should not have their vegetarianism or veganism affected by dawngirl's struggle to omit meat from her diet.<br><br><br><br>
It is a struggle at this time for her. Let's support her, instead of acting like the friends she complained about.<br><br><br><br>
dawngirl, as I said before and I stand by it. There is nothing wrong with you asking friends/family to treat you like a vegetarian while you are trying to adjust. That simply means that they only offer vegetarian dishes to you. There is nothing wrong with that.
 

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I just think that as more and more people see people who call themselves a vegetarian, but still occasionally eat meat while still in the transition period, become confused as to what a vegetarian is. I don't think someone should call themselves a vegetarian before they've gotten to the point when they NEVER eat meat. Ruining it for who? Ruining it for people who never eat meat and never plan to. Those who are no longer in that transition stage. It ruins it by having the general public believe that somehow, vegetarians (those who call themselves that) still eat meat sometimes. That is simply not true. Sometimes when I tell someone for the first time, "I am a vegetarian," I get questions from them like, "Well, do you eat fish? Do you eat chicken?"<br><br><br><br>
These questions tell me that they are confused as to what a vegetarian is... and I suspect this is because some people say they are a vegetarian, but actually still eat meat sometimes, and allow people to know that.
 

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Again, I don't see the harm in being asked these questions.<br><br><br><br>
Also, what is so wrong with saying to a waiter, at a restaurant, "I'm a vegetarian. What options do you have?" You've already explained to your friends that you are trying. This tells them that you are back on the veggie wagon. The waiter will probably never see you again.<br><br><br><br>
It's when people say, "I'm a vegetarian, so I'd like to only see the chicken options" that cause the confusion over the label.<br><br><br><br>
dawngirl, do what you need to do to make this work for you. What any of us think is of little matter. Most of us will not comdemn you, no matter what choices you make.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by kristadb</i><br><br><b>Again, I don't see the harm in being asked these questions.<br><br><br><br></b></div>
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I see the harm in when the general public does not respect vegetarianism because they do not recognize it for what it truly is. It becomes cloudy and muddled, and people become misinformed.<br><br><br><br>
Again, I'm not condemning anyone, I just think if someone is going to use labels, that they use them more carefully.<br><br><br><br>
I'm not talking about what the waiter thinks. It doesn't matter what the waiter thinks.<br><br><br><br>
I think it does matter what the friends think. It sends a big message that vegetarianism can be switched on and off like a light switch. Why not delay labels until one is identified with completely?<br><br><br><br>
Is not my point valid?
 

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Im with brake4squirrels, if you aint one dont call yourself one, you want to be one cool, im down with that, but until you are one don't claim to be one.
 

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I completely understand how you feel. *hugs*<br><br><br><br>
I've been vegetarian for 12 days so far. And that's not counting the on and off days I had before eating certain meats one day, certain meats another. I was talking to my best friend and she asked me "How's the vegetarian thing going?" And I said "Great, 10 days without meat!" And her reply was "Umm, you had chicken wings for lunch the other...and what about those tacos and hot dogs you ate?"<br><br><br><br>
Hearing people remind you of things you're trying to forget, or move on from makes it harder. Just think for yourself, and call yourself whatever you want. I consider myself a vegetarian, because I am making it a goal of mine to stop eating meat. And I have been extremely sucsessful at it! And I don't ever see myself eating meat again! Which I am very happy about! But calling yourself a vegetarian, and eating meating occasionally, or something, does not offend more or slap me in the face. It doesn't effect me as a vegetarian, because I've been there! I bet we've all been there at one point or another, and I think the best solution is to support you, and for you to support yourself! Don't let other people tell you what you are, or what you can't be. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
Good luck, and I'll support thru and thru! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by majake</i><br><br><b>Im with brake4squirrels, if you aint one dont call yourself one, you want to be one cool, im down with that, but until you are one don't claim to be one.</b></div>
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So she can't call herself a vegetarian until she gives up meat fully? She's aiming to become a vegetarian, and she's trying her best to live by vegetarian standerds. So just because she's struggeling a little bit thru the process, doesn't mean she can't be considered a vegetarian?<br><br><br><br>
When exactly can she be considered a vegetarian? The first day she eats no meat? What if she eats meat after that? When do <i>you</i> think she can be considered a vegetarian? Because I haven't eaten meat in 12 days...but who says that I won't eat meat tomorrow?(don't have plans on it, but it's possible) Who's to say that any of us won't eat meat tomorrow for some strange reason? So the next day after we stop eating meat, and go back to veg*n means, does that mean we're not vegetarians anymore?<br><br><br><br>
brake4squirrels - Who cares if it makes non-veg*n's information cloudy? Her struggle is her own, not anyone elses! If people wanna understand veg*nism they can do it on their own! Otherwise, it's none of their business or problem if she orders a vegetarian dish one day or a meat dish another day. It's about her, and her goals. It's not her duty to make sure that waiters understand vegetarianism.
 

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At what point then, does one start and stop saying they are a vegetarian? 10 minutes after the last swallow of meat, or 15?<br><br><br><br>
Can one say "I'm a vegetarian and I'm trying to stop eating meat," but then proceed to have a hot dog because afterall they are just "trying"? But at that particular moment their effort was not enough?<br><br><br><br>
Can one say they are a vegetarian for 30 minutes and feel against eating meat for those 30 minutes... but then say they aren't anymore when they sit down to a meal and crave meat... and then 40 minutes after the meal they start feeling against it again, and say "I decided to take up vegetarianism again."<br><br><br><br>
I understand that learning to avoid meat is a process, because I realize that omnivores do not have a consciousness of which foods are animal flesh and which ones are not. And when something contains it, and when it doesn't. It seems painfully obvious and clear to me, but I try to remember that the fact is that omni's just don't even think about what their food is made of. So they aren't used to it.<br><br><br><br>
If anyone has not yet learned to identify which foods are flesh, and which ones are not flesh, please learn quickly so that more animals can be saved, and less butchering of innocent animal lives occurs. This will speed up the process of protecting life and the environment, as well as help prevent mass starvation in Africa. But until the meat in your diet (that causes those problems) is GONE, just call yourself a work in progress.
 
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