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hi all,<br><br><br><br>
i'm from vegweb, my first posting here. i actually only just registered to vegweb, contributed monetarily (primarily because i had decided to become active in those message boards) and a week later that board gets merged with this one, which i didn't know about btw...anyhow. hello, and nice to meet you all.<br><br><br><br>
now...my question.<br><br><br><br>
can anyone explain to me why hydrogenated fats are bad for you, health wise?<br><br><br><br>
i have had a hard time getting the lowdown on it.<br><br><br><br>
what i do understand is that they are normally mono-saturated fats that are infused with HYDROGEN. this essentially makes the fat denser (solid) at room temperature...which is the main draw for manufacturers to use it. it is a cheap substitute for saturated animal fats (which have the same property of being more solid at room temperature).<br><br><br><br>
saturated fats (drawing from the murky depths) are bad because they contribute to thickening of your arteries...correct? is this the same case with hydrogenated fats. any other adverse effects?<br><br><br><br>
thanks.<br><br><br><br>
btw, i've found Earth Balance margarine to be an excellent non-hydrogenated margarine. what do some other people like/use?
 

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Hydrogenated oils raise your "bad" cholesteral. I try and avoid it like plutonium. There is another brand of vegan margarine I use called Soy Garden. It is put out by the same company as Earth Balance, but at the store I shop at it's cheaper.
 

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thanks punkmommy. have you tried any of the flax oil varities? i tried this spectrum essentials stuff and ugh...it was just horrible. no substance, smelled and tasted horrible. i loathed using it...seriously. i had a similar sort of feeling when i first switched to soy products, but i dunno if i could ever get that stuff to agree with me.<br><br><br><br>
i liked the idea of getting some more flax...but sheesh, you'd think they could make something better than that. the Earth Balance really agrees with me in comparison.
 

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I'm feeling a bit ill right now (morning sickness I guess), but I'll quickly confirm that hydrogenated oils are evil, just as bad as saturated fats. When I feel better, I will go into a thorough explanation on why you should be checking labels for 'hydrogenated' or 'partially hydrogenated' oils.<br><br><br><br>
I avoid all products with this, it's tough, but shopping in a health food store makes it alot easier. I try to eat healthier oils, but try as I might, I can't stomach the taste of flax oil, although I do try to eat foods with flaxmeal/flax seeds often.<br><br><br><br>
In the meantime, I did a search:<br><br><a href="http://www.dldewey.com/hydroil.htm" target="_blank">http://www.dldewey.com/hydroil.htm</a><br><br><a href="http://www.treelight.com/health/PartiallyHydrogenatedOils.html" target="_blank">http://www.treelight.com/health/Part...natedOils.html</a><br><br><a href="http://www.drmirkin.com/nutrition/N185.html" target="_blank">http://www.drmirkin.com/nutrition/N185.html</a><br><br><br><br>
The search I did on Google scared me more than my book research did! They all say that hydrogenated fats/oils are silent killers. But, I've got alot of fat books (to know the good fats from the bad fats), so I've gotta lot of research to back this up. If you still need more info, let me know, and when I feel better, I'll add a more thorough explanation.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by punkmommy</i><br><br><b>Hydrogenated oils raise your "bad" cholesteral. I try and avoid it like plutonium. There is another brand of vegan margarine I use called Soy Garden. It is put out by the same company as Earth Balance, but at the store I shop at it's cheaper.</b></div>
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I made the mistake of buying the Spectrum Spread before and melting it for popcorn. It seriously smelled like fish<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/spew.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":spew:">
 

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wow dotnetdiva. thats first link you posted is full of some very heavy things.<br><br><br><br>
a question: is the heating of the oil in the hydrogenation process the cause for the toxicity in the end result?<br><br><br><br>
i have had people try and explain to me that heating fats past certain points breaks them down and restructures the bonds in them into something akin to poisons. particularly in the case of flax.<br><br><br><br>
on a similar note. i was out today doing some errands and stopped into a place that sells hemp products. i'm considering buying some new eco and socially friendly clothing (i almost entirely wear used clothing). as i was looking around i saw a stack of handouts on the benefits of hemp seed. it said that hemp seed contains all the essential amino acids, and is almost as high in the omega 3 fatty acids as flax. i eat stuff with flax in it occasionally, but i've had some concerns at times that i'm not getting as much essential fatty acids as i really ought to. anyhow...it mentioned that there are hemp butters and margarines out there. i've never seen any locally...but i think i'll be on the lookout.<br><br><br><br>
lol punkmommy! yah...it was pretty nasty. i tried spreading it on toast, in my oatmeal. the only way i found it paletable was when i cooked with it. i remember reading somewhere that the fishyness of it is cause of the high omega 3 fatty acid content in the flax. i'm just going from my spotty memory though. i didn't really follow up on that.
 

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i read somewhere that consuming hydrogenated oils was like eating plastic. that once eaten it can not break down and just gets washed out into the body the way plastic would.
 

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are you trying to tell me that there is no nutrive value to all those pen tops i chew on!!! haha.<br><br><br><br>
oneness, i'm confused by, "just gets washed out, into the body". are you saying that it is unused by the body and excreted in some manner, or that it just takes up residence inside the body (disturbing thought), doing nothing good i would assume.
 

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Hi Palindrome, Welcome to VB <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
( I think I missed you in the intro forum.....?)
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by oneness</i><br><br><b>i read somewhere that consuming hydrogenated oils was like eating plastic. that once eaten it can not break down and just gets washed out into the body the way plastic would.</b></div>
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Impossible. If you get calories out of it, you must break it down.
 

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i heard it jams up in veins and arteries because it doesnt break down.<br><br>
spectrum- we have actually used it and thought we liked it until we tried earth balance.<br><br>
Earth balance is great! Ive only used it as a spread and its almost too good. I could use it on everything!
 

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Earth Balance, mmmmmm yum! I love the stuff, I use it for everything. In fact, I'm eating a bagel with some on it right now.<br><br><br><br>
I agree with palindrome, who said she can't stomach flax oil. I tried to take it straight, couldn't, actually have thrown it up, then tried adding it to food...stil couldn't. the stuff is awful to me. Even the ground seed reminds me of it. Which is sad. I'd like to take it for the Omega 3's, but jsut can't.<br><br><br><br>
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i haven't had any problems with using flax seed ground up. i actually haven't even noticed the bad taste come to think of it...hmm. i'm not eating it straight though either.<br><br><br><br>
i have this recipie for french toast where the base of the batter is whizzed flax seeds and water. i really like it. its really really gooey. its so gooey in fact that at times the batter will not let go of the bread!<br><br><br><br>
i considered trying flax oil, but i have read that it tends to go bad very easily. flax in seed form is much easier to deal with imo.<br><br><br><br>
hey vegancherrypie, i recognize you from vegweb i think. i just realized that there is no gender distinction immediately visible like there was on vegwebs forums. anyhow. i'm a guy. no harm done. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by vegancherrypie</i><br><br><b>I'd like to take it for the Omega 3's, but jsut can't.<br><br><br><br>
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you can get flax oil in vegetarian caplets, which means you can get the goodness without the bad taste.
 

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Hemp is a great Omega-3 source! What you're looking for is a healthy balance of Omega-3 to Omega-6, both are desirable, but we get wayyy too much Omega-6, and not enough Omega-3.<br><br><br><br>
I'll dig up all my books on this topic and rehash in a short summary why the hydrogenated fats are bad. But it's late now, so I might not get to it until early next week.
 

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Yes! I love hemp oil. For the longest time I've been taking heated everything bagels and pouring flax oil on them and then topping them with nutritional yeast....and severely addicted to it. I just recently tried some hemp oil in place of it and OMG!...YUM. ...and it's so green...hee hee.
 

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i didn't bother to look for prices on hemp oil, but my early research at the coop nearby was kind of a put off.<br><br><br><br>
10 ozs of hemp butter for $10, they also had bulk crushed hemp seed, more reasonable at $4.90 a lb.<br><br><br><br>
i love nutritional yeast herself! i mix mine up with olive oil and fresh lime juice, on bagels even! i think i'ma try out some hemp oil in the near future here.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by palindrome</i><br><br><b><br><br><br><br>
hey vegancherrypie, i recognize you from vegweb i think. i just realized that there is no gender distinction immediately visible like there was on vegwebs forums. anyhow. i'm a guy. no harm done. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"></b></div>
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Oh. Oops!!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/blush.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":eek:"><br><br><br><br>
Were you even the one that made the flax oil comment?? I went back through this thread, and din't see you mention it. Eesh. That's what I get for reading and posting without contacts lenses in or glasses, I guess.<br><br><br><br>
And, yeah, I'm definitely form vegweb. I think I remember you, too, now that I think about it.<br><br><br><br>
Cassie
 

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what i read said that it leaves your stomach intact and just lines the veins and arteries (as marg said) it may breakdown somewhat, but according to some of the things i have read it will not completely and will stay in the body for life.<br><br><br><br>
i use earth balance as well.
 
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