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Is there any kind of research that has been done on hunger in recovering anorexic/malnourished people? Does it sound reasonable that people that are malnourished, once hunger is realised, might be extremely large? Could this be a way of the body repairing itself?<br><br>
I'm just throwing out questions, so if you know...
 

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I don't know of any medical research, but from personal experience and talking to friends and such...<br><br><br><br>
Yes, if the body loses weight that it needs, it wants to put it back on. Therefore, you may find yourself needing an entire chocolate cake in one sitting.<br><br><br><br>
However, Keegan, your level of hunger is um.. pretty normal. If you eat oranges and apples all day, yea, you're gonna be pretty darn hungry come dinner time.<br><br>
(Although I am proud, you've been improving lately. Just keep it up!)
 

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Do you think that the hunger feelings are more than just volume controlled? Because sometimes I can eat and eat and eat, and still get that hungry feeling. Do you think the body knows that more cals are needed or something? I mean I eat REALLY slow and all...
 

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<div class="quote-block">Because sometimes I can eat and eat and eat, and still get that hungry feeling. Do you think the body knows that more cals are needed or something?</div>
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Depending on what you eat, it is very possible to eat a lot and still need more calories. Speaking from my own experience, my body tells me when I had enough to eat; I feel full and I no longer crave food. I've noticed that when I eat foods high in calories (like fatty foods) I get this feeling sooner. So, the body does seem to know most of the time.<br><br><br><br>
You can't tell that you've eaten enough just by looking at the volume of the food you consumed. Some things have a high water content and are low in calories; you need to eat more of these to get enough calories. Other things are high in calories so you don't need to eat as much of them.<br><br><br><br>
In my opinion, the body is a more accurate gage than the thinking mind for determining when to stop eating. The thinking mind might say "I ate a big plate of food and that is enough". But if the food was lettuce without dressing, you would probably still be hungry.<br><br><br><br>
Keegan, if you're hunrgy, eat.
 

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I looked at your menu for yesterday and while I'm no expert, you seem to be eating a lot of cereal and fruit and not much else...and a lot of raw veggies. I may have missed something but the only real fat I saw was in the avacado you ate yesterday.<br><br><br><br>
I know when I find myself eating too many salads and raw vegetables, I not only become hungry, but I find I'm not really satiated either. Not satisfied.<br><br><br><br>
Not only that, but about a month ago for some reason I cut out a lot of fat (sometimes this just happens when I'm not thinkign). I found that I'd get cuts and scratches that weren't healing, and looked at my diet to find I wasn't eating enough oil. Once I put that back into my diet, my skin went back to normal, and the scrapes started healing a lot faster.<br><br><br><br>
I think you're eating (sorry to say this) what a person who wants to lose weight or maintain would eat. You're going to have to put more bulk into your diet, meaning more solid carbs, and more fat. I looked at your menu for yesterday, during which you ate a lot of fruit and cereal and I thought...he's still trying to control it. Still trying to eat, 'just enough but not too much.'<br><br><br><br>
I think if you're hungry esp right after you eat, it's frankly because something about what you're eating is NOT satisfying to you. Yes, your body wants to put on weight. People used to eat based on scarecity...that means that when people couldn't find food, they'd loose weight, and then when they would find food, they'd eat a lot to make up for lost calories and nutrients. (feast of famine) Now most of us are in gorge mode an awful lot. While you have prescribed a fake famine in your own life. This is the crux of eating to live. Before people had the luxury of inventing eating disorders, people truely ate to live. When they needed to fuel their bodies for work, they ate...to make up for lost nutrients during times of food scarecity...they ate.<br><br><br><br>
Now we've got a culture of food. Food is everywhere, both real food and food in pictures and media advertisements. We've created an unhealthy system in which eating to live is not the issue anymore. Eating for entertainment is. Society does not encourage healthy use of food...but an insane use of food in either direction.<br><br><br><br>
I know I've gotten off track here somewhat. I really think though you've got to start eating nutricious and SATISFYING meals. Eat until you're full. Not until you feel that you should be full (as in, "Oh my goodness, look at what I've eaten, I should be full...I'm not, but I'm going to stop anyway because it looks like I've eaten a lot"). Stop trying to control it. Your body is trying to tell you that you need to eat and that you've starved it for long enough.<br><br><br><br>
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Yes, the body knows how many calories it needs.<br><br><br><br>
That's why sometimes you want four apples, and sometimes you only want two, even though your stomach has the same amount of room.
 

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keegan;<br><br>
I agree with bethanie. And, it seems to me that you aren't eating how you need to eat to put on weight.<br><br><br><br>
I suggest you get a copy of the book "Becoming Vegan". The book has two chapters that applies to your situation: "Eating Disorders" and "Underweight".<br><br><br><br>
But, of course, reading from the book won't help unless you actually put the recommendations into practice (and I'm sure you've already heard many of the things the book talks about). I have the feeling that in the back of your mind you don't want to gain weight, so you're not taking the necessary steps.
 

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Keegan,<br><br><br><br>
Again, re-read my post under Eat to Live.<br><br><br><br>
Simple choice ahead of you.<br><br>
a) Eat, get healthy and risk the small possibly of getting fat<br><br>
or<br><br>
b) Starve yourself and have a coffin covered in pretty flowers.<br><br><br><br>
Up to you.<br><br><br><br>
You need to eat more fat and more protein. You need to eat this with every meal and snack. Simple as that.
 

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Keegan- You're not eating that much, especially when you take into account your age!!!! If you don't feel full, I have no doubts its because you don't eat enough food at all. Like I've said over and over, you could eat 2-3x what you're eating and be totally fine.<br><br>
Come on! You can do this babe.<br><br>
lovenlight,<br><br>
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Crap now I can't tell when to eat. I mean tonight I ate, but because I was bored maybe?, I mean I got hunry, but I'm not sure if it was or wasn't, and today I was very tired from having basically no dinner last night, 'cept some corn. Grrr, I ate two mini pitas, a tomato, an apple, an orange, and a soy yogurt. That was dinner. I think I was hungry, see I just can't tell. I mean I hate not eating at meal times becuse I feel a *need* for food, but I don't know if I'm hungry. If I am sick (sore thoruhgt) and I am not hungry, should I still eat? OR is my body telling me I don't need to becasue I'm sick so don't need to be as active? I don't know, I hate this
 

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Keegan,<br><br>
If scientific info is what you want, I'm looking for it right now on OhioLink for ya. Be back shortly.
 

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Okeee... This is the abstract of "Brain dopamine is associated with eating behaviors in humans":<br><br><br><br><i>Eating behavior in humans is influenced by variables other than just hunger-satiety including cognitive restraint, emotional distress, and sensitivity to food stimuli. This study investigated the role of dopamine (DA), a neurotransmitter involved with food motivation, in these variables. The authors used the Dutch Eating Behavior Questionnaire (DEBQ) to measure Restraint, Emotionality, and Externality in 10 healthy adults. They correlated DEBQ scores with brain DA levels. Positron emission tomography and [-sup-1-sup-1]raclopride uptake were used to measure baseline D-sub-2 receptors (neutral stimulation) and to assess changes in extracellular DA to food stimulation (display of food). Restraint was correlated with DA changes with food stimulation (higher restraint, greater responsivity), emotionality was negatively correlated with baseline D-sub-2 receptors (higher emotionality, lower D-sub-2 receptors), whereas externality was not. These correlations were significant in the dorsal but not in the ventral striatum. These results provide evidence that DA in the dorsal striatum is involved with the restraint and emotionality components regulating eating behavior and that these 2 dimensions reflect different neurobiologic processes.</i><br><br><br><br>
Now if you can actually understand that, then you know a whole lot more about psychology lingo than I do!
 

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You would not believe some of the articles that my query is finding... "dustbathing techniques of mother hens"... irritable bowel syndrome treatments... erythrocytes... OhioLink's PsychInfo has sooo much stuff that would be intriguing to find out more about some day.
 

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Keegan, I have to say at this point for YOU....I don't think you can trust your body to give you correct signals. I think you should eat at mealtimes even if you don't feel hungry...you have tricked and cajoled your body into thinking it simply doesn't need food. I think your 'am I hungry or just bored?' and 'I don't know if I'm hungry' is your way of getting around eating. I think you ARE hungry maybe but don't want to deal with it, so you convince yourself you aren't really.<br><br><br><br>
Right now I seriously think you should eat by schedule instead of hunger. You aren't at a point to recognize hunger. So eating by schedule (since if I assume correctly, you are still needing to gain weight), is a good way for you to go. Try for five or six meals per day. Three larger meals, and two to three snacky meals. When you are mentally/physically healthy, you will be able to be a better judge of hunger, but for now you just aren't.<br><br><br><br>
Now, I want to know some more about you. What are you doing in your life...or want to be doing, other than obsessing over food?<br><br><br><br>
B<br><br><br><br>
If you're sick, how do you think your body can get well without the energy that food brings to it?
 

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School, school and that's about it. I don't have many freinds, and I'm too shy to go do something with them. This summer I am going to do volenteer work for my scholarship (or at least I hope I can get it). I have been really stressed lately over the AP tests I have to take in may becasue I feel stupid/dumb sometimes. I have been dealing with this for alomst a year I think.
 

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Keegan... I might remind you... aren't you supposed to be eating MORE and gaining weight? Do you really NEED to contemplate "if you are hungry or not"? Your body is in constant need of the food, so just eat, buddy!<br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 
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