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"HELSINKI (Reuters) - Humans are stripping nature at an unprecedented rate and will need two planets' worth of natural resources every year by 2050 on current trends, the WWF conservation group said on Tuesday.<br><br><br><br>
It also said in a two-yearly report that populations of many species, from fish to mammals, had fallen by about a third from 1970 to 2003 largely because of human threats such as pollution, clearing of forests and overfishing.<br><br><br><br>
"We are in serious ecological overshoot, consuming resources faster than the Earth can replace them," WWF Director General James Leape said in the WWF's 2006 Living Planet Report."<br><br><br><br><a href="http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=newsOne&storyID=2006-10-24T093937Z_01_L19402119_RTRUKOC_0_US-ENVIRONMENT-WWF-PLANET.xml&WTmodLoc=Home-C2-TopNews-newsOne-10" target="_blank">http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...ews-newsOne-10</a>
 

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I have a hard time relating to some super rich people who I feel are living in excess. Multiple homes...luxury etc.<br><br>
Two of them are even veg people that I get along with great otherwise, suggestions?.
 

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I don't relate to my folks, who have multiple homes, but who fancy themselves "Earth friendly" as far as I can tell. Beats me....
 

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here are some /gov statistics I gathered<br><br><a href="http://helpusall.com/criticalresources.html" target="_blank">http://helpusall.com/criticalresources.html</a><br><br>
...my foodsummary.html link below has some more current info, and more things-we-can-do-to-help info<br><br><br><br>
I am very glad i've had near death out-of-body experience, otherwise this would seem much more like an 'end of game'<br><br><br><br><br><br>
"Perfection is often not an option.... but Improvement almost always IS'
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Ludi</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
There's no substitute for water, air, topsoil, ecological diversity...</div>
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It is odd how the examples you give seem to be of items that nature itself has destroyed in the past. (Disclaimer: I can't think of a specific example of earth destroying topsoil, but I haven't looked.)
 

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I'm not much concerned with "nature" (whatever that is), but I am concerned with humans, who need topsoil, water,and ecological diversity to survive.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Ludi</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I'm not much concerned with "nature" (whatever that is), but I am concerned with humans, who need topsoil, water,and ecological diversity to survive.</div>
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I am concerned with nature because everything we need comes from nature. But then I'm a Pagan so my relationship with nature is a spiritual one.<br><br>
Nature is violent and caused mass extinctions in the permian and cretaceous period. While we may not be able to stop a supervolcano or maybe even a giant astroid from causing mass destruction and extinctions we can however stop our contribution or at least slow down our poisoning of Earth.<br><br><br><br>
While the sun is still burning there will always be room for regeneration as in the past but once the sun dies and our galaxy dies there will be no regeneration but who knows maybe the death of our galaxy brings birth to a new one. Everything comes in cycles..but these are my own thoughts.<br><br><br><br>
Namaste,<br><br>
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I am also a pagan/animist. "Nature" will go on, but humans may not be able to survive what we are doing to the Earth's life systems. That is my primary point, as it is hard to convince people about the seriousness of the issue to us humans when they say "well, 'Nature' has survived asteroids and Ice Ages, so why are you worried about 'Nature'?" I'm worried about Earth's life systems which support us, and which we are destroying.
 

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I think alot of us have known this for a while.<br><br><br><br>
But humanity is too absorbed in money and theirselves to care.
 

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I think a lot of people are just ignorant about it, and don't realise this will likely have a direct impacton their lives and certainly on the lives of their children and grandchildren. They may think there are "substitutes" for water, topsoil, and biodiversity. Many people don't know much about the Earth's life systems and how dependent we are on them even though we (in the First World) are so developed and industrialized. They don't realise how dependent our food supply is on predictable weather and abundant water.
 
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