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<div class="quote-block">in a free market economy, can we realistically expect appreciation for animals to suddenly trump the industrial efficiency required to meet the demand of billions of hungry omnivores? Or will these new-age "compassionate farms" collectively scale production to compete with their big, bad industrial counterparts (the factory farms), who raise 99.9 percent of chickens for meat, 97 percent of laying hens, 99 percent of turkeys, 95 percent of pigs, and 78 percent of cattle <a href="http://www.onegreenplanet.org/foodandhealth/why-everyone-should-consider-giving-up-meat/" target="_blank">currently sold</a>? Most importantly, let's assume the humane movement helps us achieve the Utopian vision of animal agribusiness, where the overall industry is well-regulated (including big, small, corporate and family-owned farms) and all farm animals have space to stretch their legs and wings, eat organic produce and are drug-free; will buying such "happy" meat and dairy somehow reduce the overall demand for animal products? You guessed it -- highly unlikely.<br><br>
However, there's one thing we can be certain about -- buying "humane" animal products will help us feel better about our choice to consume the animals we care about, while distracting us from the root of the problem (<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/weekinreview/27bittman.html" target="_blank">our gargantuan appetite for meat and dairy</a>). In addition, buying humanely-raised animal products (even if it's driven by the best intentions and as a solution for those of us who will never consider giving up meat/dairy), unwittingly encourages us to consume more animals with a lighter conscience.</div>
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On the other hand, encouraging the world to turn toward more humane meat means that the stuff is going to wind up costing more to produce, which means fewer will be able to afford it, so fewer animals suffer. Would that be a good thing, in a roundabout sort of way?
 

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Thanks for posting that<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
My boyfriend's brother, Danny (a vegetarian, oddly enough) is constantly singing the praises of people like Michael Pollan, who advocate for small farms where the meat is "humanely" raised. Danny thinks that it a genius idea and is the solution to factory farms. I point out that it isn't workable on a a large scale and that the more reasonable solution would be to just stop eating meat and dairy. But for some reason it just doesn't sink in.
 

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The majority of humans could never be fed "humane" meat without drastically reducing their intake of meat anyway, because only factory farms can feed that many people meat on a daily basis. The "humane" farms would become factory farms in less than a decade to keep up with customer demands.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Josh James xVx</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2925517"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
The majority of humans could never be fed "humane" meat without drastically reducing their intake of meat anyway, because only factory farms can feed that many people meat on a daily basis. The "humane" farms would become factory farms in less than a decade to keep up with customer demands.</div>
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That's what I keep telling him. In one ear, out the other <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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I have a friend who used to be a vegetarian. She insists that she started eating meat again because she realized that it would have a greater impact on "the market". She said that choosing to purchase organic and free range sends a clearer message than not purhasing animal products at all. However, she doesn't actually purchase animal products that are only organic and free range.<br><br>
To a certain degree, I think it is an emotional crutch. Its easier to tell yourself that you're not a bad person for eating meat because at least it was compassionately treated....before it was slaughtered for consumption.<br><br>
On a side note, I was drunk that night. I even tried a piece of turkey (my husband was sooooo mad......lol) and immediately regretted it. I didn't remember what it tasted like. Its actually pretty gross. But at the time I was thinking, if she is right, could I even bring myself to eat meat again?<br><br>
I've come to the conclusion that I can't eat meat again. Its too gross. Its too wrong. I can't imagine falling off the vegetarian wagon. How does that even happen?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>phatrabbit</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2982587"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I have a friend who used to be a vegetarian. She insists that she started eating meat again because she realized that it would have a greater impact on "the market". She said that choosing to purchase organic and free range sends a clearer message than not purhasing animal products at all. However, she doesn't actually purchase animal products that are only organic and free range.<br><br>
To a certain degree, I think it is an emotional crutch. Its easier to tell yourself that you're not a bad person for eating meat because at least it was compassionately treated....before it was slaughtered for consumption.<br><br>
On a side note, I was drunk that night. I even tried a piece of turkey (my husband was sooooo mad......lol) and immediately regretted it. I didn't remember what it tasted like. Its actually pretty gross. But at the time I was thinking, if she is right, could I even bring myself to eat meat again?<br><br>
I've come to the conclusion that I can't eat meat again. Its too gross. Its too wrong. I can't imagine falling off the vegetarian wagon. How does that even happen?</div>
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I know exactly what you mean. I had a coworker I had to fly with to Nova Scotia and basically live with for 2 weeks because I couldn't drive, and when she found out I was vegetarian she said she really admired me and wished she could do that herself, but she didn't eat a lot of meat and always made sure to get organic/free range.<br><br>
Over the course of those 2 weeks I watched her eat meat at pretty much every meal and she didn't check once to see where it came from. Saying you get humane meat totally is an emotional crutch, it's all for the benefit of the person who feels guilty. Say you care about animals and buy free range/organic/humane and it's a free pass apparently, even if you frequently eat factory farmed meat as well <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Werewolf Girl</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2919712"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nil-zacharias/humane-meat-is-the-soluti_b_880731.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nil-za..._b_880731.html</a><br><br><br><br>
This was a good read, thought I'd share.</div>
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There is no such thing as a humane meat in my mind. If the ultimate end is that the animal dies an unnatural death at the hands of humans, then nothing good can come of it, period. No matter how well raised the animal is, they still don't get to live a full and happy life.
 

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Ugh Im so tired I thought the title said "human meat". I have to go to bed..... yea I know its 7:36pm
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>phatrabbit</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2982587"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I have a friend who used to be a vegetarian. She insists that she started eating meat again because she realized that it would have a greater impact on "the market". She said that choosing to purchase organic and free range sends a clearer message than not purhasing animal products at all. However, she doesn't actually purchase animal products that are only organic and free range.</div>
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Well, they do say "its the <i>thought</i> that counts"?
 

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I keep scrolling down the main page and every time all day today I've seen this as "<i>human</i> meat" and I've been to afraid to look at the thread until now. I read the first post, was really confused, and then stared at the title for a while before finally seeing the "e" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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*read it as human meat before it was cool*
 

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Well, they do say "its the <i>thought</i> that counts"?</div>
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Yeah...but to be honest, she's a little critical of my veg*nism. We were downtown, and I noticed a crocs store. I was excited, because its hard to find comfy non leather shoes. When I made a comment, her and her husband were a little mocking towards it. She's not a mean person, she just thought it was silly that I would want animal free shoes, as if it were unrelated to my veg*nism.
 
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