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I was looking at some factory farming stuff the other day, and just wanted to send link after link to my omni friends. But I didn't. I don't want to come across as attacking their lifestyle, nor do I think it would necessarily be effective.<br><br><br><br>
But sometimes I just want to scream at all my omni friends, "Do you know what you're doing??? Do you know where that comes from???" Part of it is that I was once an omni too (well, for most of my life) and it wasn't until I read all about stuff like factory farming or nutritional info on saturated fat and cholesterol, etc., that I really saw the light. But once I read and researched the whats, wheres, whens, and hows of meat, the choice was obvious. I feel like the information (animal rights, health, environmental, etc) is so compelling that the only reason why there aren't MORE veg*ns is that they don't know the truth.<br><br><br><br>
So how do you handle it? How do you avoid stalking your friends with Veggie flyers or emailing them pictures/graphs/articles, etc? OR... is there a gentle way that you talk to them about veg*nism? Has anyone had any success in converting their omni friends or at least enabling them to be more compassionate or aware?<br><br><br><br>
Since becoming veggie, I have had a couple people in my life reduce their meat intake (one went veggie) but it wasn't really due to my prosyletizing. Anyways, I was just interested in other people's experiences in enlightening/educating your friends on veggie ways.
 

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It's simply best to avoid it altogether until they bring it up. If you live your life quietly and effectively your light will shine.<br><br><br><br>
Think about annoying religious folks who constantly spout off. Everyone hates it, and instantly shuts off once these folks open their mouths. Veganism gets the same rap, deservedly or not.<br><br><br><br>
The less I talk about veganism the more others ask. Maybe it's the mystery of the whole thing <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">.
 

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I understand your problem. Been there, done that.<br><br><br><br>
It's best to just answer the questions as they come up. You turn off more people than you could ever convert by preaching to them.<br><br><br><br>
Be informed, as you are, and have your answers ready when questioned or ridiculed. I wish I were better armed and more able to express myself. I find myself unable to respond intelligently sometimes because emotion gets in the way. Consequently, I often lose the opportunity to make the point. I usually avoid confrontations.<br><br><br><br>
However, friends and friendly acquaintances are more receptive and I've found good results there.
 

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Agreed.<br><br><br><br>
Be a good example of a healthy, happy veg*n and you WILL generate interest. It might not seem like that first, but it is difficult to overestimate the power of example. Questions WILL come - just be prepared for them and take it from there. You may not convert most of them - but at least you will earn more respect from all of those who approach you.
 

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I want to tie my family up and make them watch Meet you Meat..or something like that......but I know that isn't fair to them. I have a close friend who refuses to look at the pictures I try and show him. He thinks ignorance is bliss. It can be frustrating. So I just keep it to myself. I am trying to just be happy with my choices. I guess if it wasn't such a health issue it wouldn't bother me as much....but I really want my loved ones to be healthy.
 

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Most people also don't like being told things, they'd rather discover them theirselves. That's why when people ask me about my diet, I'd rather just give them one of my books, or a why vegan pamphlet and let them bring it home. That way they can make the discoveries themselves.
 

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Yeah, it is frustrating, especially when you consider they're people you care about, but as most people here have said, it's a personal choice. You can be a guide and a light, but you can't make anyone do anything.<br><br><br><br>
Kinda like God and Free Will, oddly. I suppose it's only odd because I'm an atheist.
 

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I was just wondering if you happened to know any agnostic or atheist forms with support sections, I am agnostic..I feel that it is very clear that anyone who claims to know if there is a god or not is basing that off of emotional reasoning...the need to fill some type of gap..etc..and sometimes I feel like I may go a little nuts in such a superstitious(SP?) world...save me!! (haha)
 

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I don't know of any forums, though there must be. This is the Internet.<br><br><br><br>
I do find it odd that an atheist would <i>need</i> support, considering how many of us are so independent-minded (in my limited experience), but that's not to say it's not for some people. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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epski,<br><br><br><br>
I know I've read your comments about atheisism before, but would you please explain for me what it means?<br><br><br><br>
I've done my homework on some religions, but would like to know about other peoples thoughts. If I'm not prying, would you mind sharing why you believe as you do and what it means to you?<br><br><br><br>
Thanks,<br><br>
vegluv
 

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You mean forUms (you wrote forms)?<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.beliefnet.com/" target="_blank">BeliefNet</a> has some funky discussions going on (there are a lot of atheists/agnostics there and they also have their forums). A good friend of mine is stirring it up there (I'm rarely there I just get his briefings)<br><br><br><br>
Seems to be fun! Check it out <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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I just mean that when you see your friends, family members etc.. Ignoring reality and praying to god for things to happen, or watching people you love sit around and hope for the end of the world because the bible says its going to end..it saddens me to see how many people are truly attempting to accelerate the end of the earth just to forcfully fulfill a prophecy..many times when I attempt to discuss veganism or any other ethical philosophy people simply think that it doesnt matter because god has put everything here for them.. or that the world is going to end ..so who cares..(they say the middle east conflict is prophecy fullfilment) ..
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by schu</i><br><br><b>I just mean that when you see your friends, family members etc.. Ignoring reality and praying to god for things to happen, or watching people you love sit around and hope for the end of the world because the bible says its going to end..it saddens me to see how many people are truly attempting to accelerate the end of the earth just to forcfully fulfill a prophecy..many times when I attempt to discuss veganism or any other ethical philosophy people simply think that it doesnt matter because god has put everything here for them.. or that the world is going to end ..so who cares..(they say the middle east conflict is prophecy fullfilment) ..</b></div>
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Yeah, see, there is no support for that. I just sorta move along and avoid looking, like a bad accident. I don't mean to insult anyone you care about, but religion is the hottest topic going, and I don't like to get burned.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by vegluv</i><br><br><b>epski,<br><br><br><br>
I know I've read your comments about atheisism before, but would you please explain for me what it means?<br><br><br><br>
I've done my homework on some religions, but would like to know about other peoples thoughts. If I'm not prying, would you mind sharing why you believe as you do and what it means to you?<br><br><br><br>
Thanks,<br><br>
vegluv</b></div>
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Well, you seem to know what it means, so I don't know how much light I can shed on the subject for you.<br><br><br><br>
I simply use the label to distinguish myself from those who believe in the existence of any god. I am not immoral, as badly worded dictionaries would have you believe. No, I merely do not believe in that which cannot be perceived by any means known to humankind, and therefore I do not believe in God.<br><br><br><br>
I know some people feel they know God, or have felt God, or whatever scenario they have to explain their validation of God's existence (that is the realm of superstition, IMO), but that is a personal matter, and thus can not and should not be forced on anyone.<br><br><br><br>
But it is sad to me that so much of human civilization has been encumbered by the desire to force one's religious beliefs on others.<br><br><br><br>
Does that cover the question?
 

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BTW, my point about atheists I've known being independent-minded is not meant to be construed as the converse: that religious people are sheep. That may be the case in certain situations, but I want to make it clear that I do not have, nor do I rely upon that stereotype as a rule.<br><br><br><br>
"The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also." - Mark Twain<br><br><br><br>
"A danger sign of the lapse from true skepticism in to dogmatism is an inability to respect those who disagree" - Dr. Leonard George
 

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Here's an appropriate quote:<br><br><br><br>
"The skeptic will say, 'It may well be true that this system of equations is reasonable from a logical standpoint, but this does not prove that it corresponds to nature.' You are right, dear skeptic. Experience alone can decide on truth. - Albert Einstein (vegetarian)
 

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basicly, i have a policy. it comes from the fact that i value people's right to choose, as well as their right to choose to stay ignorant of what they are doing.<br><br><br><br>
so, my basic policy is, i do my thing. if they ask genuine questions, i'll answer them and tell them that i'll send them an email with a web site that will give more details.<br><br><br><br>
i do not have books, flyers, pamphlets or those sorts of things, although some people do choose to always have some handy so that if someone asks, the information is there.
 

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I never try to force my views upon people. However, people do become intrested in my lifestyle and ask me about. I have one co-worker who works with me at both my jobs (meaning I see him all the time). He is omni. I always show up at work eating carrot sticks, rasins, apples, you know, health food. One day he comes up to me and says "I just wanted you to know that since I've known you I have taken up a more healthly lifestye." I thought that was great. He sees me eating all that good stuff all the time and he wanted to follow suit. He also told me that since hes known me hes cut down his meat consumption to almost none. He says that now he thinks about whats in his food a little more (and keep in mind that I never talk about whats in food at work).<br><br><br><br>
Another example is my finance who is a big meat eater. But because he lives with me, he is consuming less and less meat. For instance, sometimes we make tacos. He dosen't want to took both meat and then smart ground for me, so we just make smart ground. And he even agrees that that stuff is great. So because he eats with me, he is eating less meat. I don't think I'll be able to convert him though into ablsolutely no meat. I guess we'll have to see in the future. But less meat is always good.<br><br><br><br>
I guess my point is is that some people learn by example. Just eat what you eat and some people will bound to be intresed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I see eating meat as so wrong that I have a hard time being around omni's much at all...<br><br><br><br>
But, I agree preaching doesn't work.<br><br><br><br>
I do tell people things like being a vegetarian is easier than I thought it would be and my children are sick less often, haven't had a single cavity in all 5 kids since going veg...etc. (all true)<br><br><br><br>
Yet, I feel a little dishonest when I do this because it is not the reason that we went veg.
 
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